Same-sex marriage coming to Utah

[Pelado]

Hitler is obviously worse. He killed the people he hated. At least the LDS church isn't advocating for the murder of the homosexuals that they hate.

Kirby manages a little humor, but he seems bothered more than usual:

http://www.sltrib.com/news/3143799-1...t-lds-families

Is this a reference to the chick who was sealed to be a servant to Joseph?:

Mormons buy into the idea that our darling children and our loving spouse will be together forever, that we'll all get to live in some enormous celestial mansion with a housekeeper sent up from one of the lesser degrees of glory.

[smokymountainrain]

You guys don't think this is a gift? These kids have a free pass to screw around all through high school and at 18 can be forgiven of their sins. Who wouldn't want that?

okay, hard to argue with that.

[TripletDaddy]

i didnt come home with any soccer gear because my mission country really was terrible at soccer and didnt have a good national team so it was never a thing.

i did come home with some aguayo gear, various stuff (scripture covers, backpack) made from this sort of material:



in retrospect most of it was lame but at the time I thought it was pretty boss.

I also will cop to listening to some spanish pop music and trying to convince my roommates that it was cool (los prisioneros come to mind, i think i will still stand by that one today). I get a pass on that though because my roommates were doing the same thing to me with music from Cape Verde and Mexico.

Probably the most egregious violation I committed was bringing home a pan flute called a "Zampoña" and playing it in my room or sometimes outside on the steps to our apartment. One day I was sitting out there playing some bada** pan flute tunes and this girl in my building walks by and says, "whats up, Zamfir?" It was really embarrassing. I dont think I played it again after that and left it somewhere in a box in my closet.

[hostile]

I brought home some sweet CCM SuperTacks

[Moliere]

I guess this new policy also affirms the fact that baby blessings are ridiculous and totally unnecessary. I guess we always knew that but it's nice to see it in writing in a church policy.

I'd probably say that most blessings are meaningless. Sure they are a nice way to express love and desires to people, but you can do that in a simple prayer. I find it comforting that MJ hasn't asked for a blessing in over a decade.

[old_gregg]

i wonder if this has been brewing for a while but the previous constitution of the q12 prevented it and the new apostles were the votes needed to make it happen.

[cougjunkie]

old_gregg is a hardliner. He has a problem with it.
Jeff Lebowski is all in. He has a problem with it.
PAC is all in. He has a problem with it.
DDD is all in. He has a problem with it.
falafel is all. He has a problem with it.
smokymountainrain is all in. He has a problem with it.

Need I go on?

This policy is indefensible. This policy is hateful. This policy proves the LDS church leadership simply hates homosexuals. There is no other way to interpret it. Your response also proves that you hate homosexuals.

Old Gregg is not a hardliner, his persona is.
JL runs a site that has destroyed testimonies he is not all in.
PAC has no choice considering the area he lives in and to keep a relationship with his kids
Ddd you clearly don't know very well, all in for an hour a week maybe.
Falafel is an asshole.

So yes please go on.

[Paperback Writer]

You guys don't think this is a gift? These kids have a free pass to screw around all through high school and at 18 can be forgiven of their sins. Who wouldn't want that? Besides all of you dorks who never had a chance to touch a girl until your wedding night.

okay, hard to argue with that.

Would these kids be forgiven enough to still be called on a mission? Maybe that's another gift.

[snowcat]

Anyone who says this is not a big change is being disingenuous. This does not just cover children adopted by a gay couple. The way it is written, anyone who has a married or cohabiting gay parent (<--singular) falls under this policy. We have a family in our ward where the husband left his wife for another man when their three sons were young. The mother won primary custody, but the father (who lived with his partner) had custody every other weekend and during parts of the summer. Mother was devout LDS and these kids were fully integrated into the ward. Baptism, ordination, scouts, youth conference, temple trips, everything. They were part of our ward family and everyone loved them and included them in every way. Under this new policy, this will not be possible. This is a stunning and far-reaching decision.

We have a neighbor that has his daughter and her partner with their children living with him. These kids include one who is actually the daughter of a previous wife of the ex husband (prior to coming out) who had both her natural parents die. She is being raised by her step mom and her partner. So many challenges in such a short life. One of the main sources of stability for her has been to attend primary with her step siblings and grandfather. It breaks my heart to see that she will now be rejected by the church too.

I believe cooler heads will rethink this policy and we will see a pull back on this.

[cougjunkie]

Funk why do you want to belong to a church that "hates fags" and oppresses women? You should probably take that next step and have your records removed.

[pellegrino]

Funk why do you want to belong to a church that "hates fags" and oppresses women? You should probably take that next step and have your records removed.

once again, stunning logic, quarter roll.

[TripletDaddy]

We have a neighbor that has his daughter and her partner with their children living with him. These kids include one who is actually the daughter of a previous wife of the ex husband (prior to coming out) who had both her natural parents die. She is being raised by her step mom and her partner. So many challenges in such a short life. One of the main sources of stability for her has been to attend primary with her step siblings and grandfather. It breaks my heart to see that she will now be rejected by the church too.

I believe cooler heads will rethink this policy and we will see a pull back on this.

Day 2, baby! :rockon2:

[LVAllen]

Would these kids be forgiven enough to still be called on a mission? Maybe that's another gift.

At age 19, maybe. Gotta account for the waiting period between baptism and the temple.

[cougjunkie]

once again, stunning logic, quarter roll.

Hey look a message from a gay guy who is actually affected by this news:

Hey all you beautiful uninformed people who are making a big deal out of nothing but I love you anyway. READ THIS and then Shut up. [emoji8]

There have been a lot of posts about the recent LDS news regarding children of same sex marriages and also same sex marriages being viewed as apostasy. I'm sorry to add to those posts filling up your newsfeed but as a gay man who does not feel victimized by this decision I feel the need to share my side. I'm confused by a few things. First off, why is everyone so surprised! The church has never pretended to be anything other than exactly what it is. Their stance on same sex marriages has never changed. I also don't understand how this affects about half of the people posting about it. Over half the people posting about it are not members of the church or don't believe in the LDS church to begin with. How does this decision in anyway affect you. If you are a gay couple, were you really going to send your child to an LDS church to begin with? If you are an active LDS member posting, again, why are you so surprised!!! If you truly believe in your church, then you believe that the prophet is a prophet of God who speaks directly to him. If this is you... then have some faith and then be quiet. If you disagree with this view on same sex marriage, then by all means just choose another church. No one is forcing you to stay. I guess being from South Carolina I get confused when people act like the Mormon church is the only religion that exists, or the only religion that does not believe in same sex marriage for that matter. In South Carolina it was just another church, there to seek shelter from the storm if need be. It wasn't a cultural thing. In the LDS church, whether your parents are gay or not, you still have to have permission to be baptized either way. I'm sorry, but I don't disagree with the church when they say that it might not be in the child's best interest to be baptized into a church that does not support their parents marriage, seeing as this could cause issues in the home and could even result in the child being kicked out of the home. This is something that often happens with gay children who come out to straight parents, which is not something the church supports doing by the way. In my opinion, the church is not shunning these children but rather asking them to wait till they are 18 and can move out in hopes to prevent them from having issues at home. I'd also like to pose the question: do these children of same sex marriages really want to join a church that doesn't support their parents marriage? If they do, well then the church is not asking the children wanting to join the church to disown their parents. They just want them to understand that the church does not support same sex marriages and wants to make sure this is something they support as well before being baptized into a church that believes this. AGAIN, not something you HAVE to do! You do not have to join a church you disagree with! I don't feel children of same sex marriages are being outcast. They are still welcome to attend. But it has always been the churches policy that whether your parents are gay or straight, if your parents disagree with the beliefs of the church, you need to wait until you are of legal age to be baptized in an effort to keep the peace at home. Let's all stop victimizing people who are not being victimized.

If you still disagree. That's ok. We will have to agree to disagree. [emoji6][emoji173]️

He sounds super pissed.

[SandYFan]

Of course. If you think you're right, all the more reason to stay in. Can't do any good as it pertains to the church from the outside.

Steady that ark.

Exactly. Missionaries have rules restricting baptism of children for several different situations - polygamists, muslims, non-member parents, etc. As I see it they tend to be put in place to ensure that a child has a supportive family environment for new church membership and to eliminate as much as possible conflict within the family. This issue is a hot-button topic and has more emotion currently attached, but I honestly don't see it being significantly different.

My brother baptized Muslims in Indonesia on his mission just last year. As long as the investigator's life was not in danger, should they convert, it was a go.