Same-sex marriage coming to Utah

[Moliere]

But what's the point? We already have a working system. Why tear it down?

The point for people that want this to happen is that it allows a way for churches to not be threatened to perform gay marriages and also allows everyone to have access to the same rights. Marriages become a truly spiritual rite, similar to how temple sealings are today.

I don't think it's the best way to go about this, but it's certainly possible. Chances are that after a certain period of time most of the contracts would be so standard that we'd probably end up back in a similar position we are today. However, the govt would have little power to discriminate based on marriage status since it wouldn't recognize marriage.

[Moliere]

Because gay marriage is icky.

I actually find marriage between fat people to be grosser


tic

[byu71]

According to statistics, marriage is becoming more and more antiquated.

Marriage just isn't marriage anymore. The sexual revolution has freed up both men and women to participate outside of marriage. Women have become more equal and can support themselves and dependents. They don't need a breadwinner. Who cares if man and woman, man and man woman and woman or any of the preceding who didn't bother to get a license and go through the ceremony are considered married or not? I don't I don't.

Significant other is more meaningful. I mean do the LGBT community say, this is my wife or this is my husband?

Marriage is an institution to get benefits from the church and the government. Of course saying church and government is becoming redundant.

[smokymountainrain]

Significant other is more meaningful. I mean do the LGBT community say, this is my wife or this is my husband?

Not sure if you're serious, but if they are married, yes they do say that.

[byu71]

Not sure if you're serious, but if they are married, yes they do say that.

Thanks, I learned something.

[old_gregg]

The sexual revolution has freed up both men and women to participate outside of marriage.

lol

[San Juan Sun]

lol

I love 71 posting like it's 1965.

[Jeff Lebowski]

The point for people that want this to happen is that it allows a way for churches to not be threatened to perform gay marriages and also allows everyone to have access to the same rights. Marriages become a truly spiritual rite, similar to how temple sealings are today.

Churches are not threatened to perform gay marriages. Churches are already free to perform "spiritual marriages" all they want.

I don't think it's the best way to go about this, but it's certainly possible. Chances are that after a certain period of time most of the contracts would be so standard that we'd probably end up back in a similar position we are today. However, the govt would have little power to discriminate based on marriage status since it wouldn't recognize marriage.

But the govt would recognize something else that is exactly like marriage, but labelled something else, right? What a waste of time.

This isn't going to happen.

[byu71]

I love 71 posting like it's 1965.

Me too. Don't you also think though the lessening of the significance of marriage has taken a while?

Without that revolution, I doubt gay marriage would be where it is today.

[Moliere]

Churches are not threatened to perform gay marriages. Churches are already free to perform "spiritual marriages" all they want.



But the govt would recognize something else that is exactly like marriage, but labelled something else, right? What a waste of time.

This isn't going to happen.

Sometimes a perceived threat is enough to get people to act stupidly.

On the second point, no they wouldn't recognize something like marriage and they wouldn't label it something else. Your contract would state your rights in terms of things like inheritance or survivorship or hospital visitation rights. The government wouldn't interfere in that area.

Again, it's much easier and cleaner to just have yhe government determine the specifics of those contracts (through marriage) but it's certainly possible for the process to work outside of the government.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Sometimes a perceived threat is enough to get people to act stupidly.

On the second point, no they wouldn't recognize something like marriage and they wouldn't label it something else. Your contract would state your rights in terms of things like inheritance or survivorship or hospital visitation rights. The government wouldn't interfere in that area.

Again, it's much easier and cleaner to just have yhe government determine the specifics of those contracts (through marriage) but it's certainly possible for the process to work outside of the government.

But since we already have a fully-functional system, what are the odds that a majority of Americans would vote to scrap it because we are disturbed that gays now have access to it? Zero.

[byu71]

Sometimes a perceived threat is enough to get people to act stupidly.

On the second point, no they wouldn't recognize something like marriage and they wouldn't label it something else. Your contract would state your rights in terms of things like inheritance or survivorship or hospital visitation rights. The government wouldn't interfere in that area.

Again, it's much easier and cleaner to just have yhe government determine the specifics of those contracts (through marriage) but it's certainly possible for the process to work outside of the government.

Look, we have civil marriage and temple marriage. That is what we still will have. Gay people will be looked down upon the same as members who don't get married in the temple. That's not discrimination.

I am basically agreeing with you.

[San Juan Sun]

Me too. Don't you also think though the lessening of the significance of marriage has taken a while?

Don't know, I was born in 1978.

[Katy Lied]

SJS' humor is greatly under appreciated sometimes.

[byu71]

Don't know, I was born in 1978.

I thought you were one of the well read persons on here. Sorry I will have to take my level of confidence in you down a notch if all you know is what happened after 1978.

I have a son born around then. You are still in the "HUH" stage of life.