Same-sex marriage coming to Utah

[TripletDaddy]

Interesting how you are defending a group against peceived smear by smearing another group of people. Carry on.

71 playing mind games with everyone, bringing up the "intolerance towards religion" argument!

[TripletDaddy]

Honestly, I don't really care, but I see people saying this a lot lately, so I will ask. Why should we permanently ban it? I don't get it, what is so offensive about it? Usually people point out that people use that word because they think that someone's sexual orientation is a curable condition. But is that really true? Some may prefer the word gay, but I guess I don't really understand what is so offensive about same sex attraction since it is just a different way of saying gay.

it would probably be less offensive if "opposite sex attraction" were a descriptor that was used by anyone at any time.

[byu71]

I have started using "those that prefer donuts but eat broccoli" when referring to someone that has a same sex attraction but marries a member of the opposite sex. Can I get a PC ruling on this?

I hope not. Too many things I already have to remember not to say in order not to be shunned by the forward and progressive thinking folks.

Like:

Illegals aren't illegals

People who are attracted to the same sex really aren't

Religious extremists are really only extremists, unless they use speech not acceptable to the elite's, then they are religious extremists. I would like to hang out with the really cool and progressive folks, but I am just not learned enough PC wise.

[byu71]

it would probably be less offensive if "opposite sex attraction" were a descriptor that was used by anyone at any time.

I am definitely attracted to the opposite sex. Be honest, if I blurted that out someone would accuse me of being anti-gay because I was saying that to show I am somehow superior to those who aren't.

From my perspective, those who have a problem with the SSA term are the real ones who have a problem. I have no problem with that term so by definition I have no problem with someone who is attracted to the same sex. Those who dislike the term must have a problem with the concept.

[Applejack]

Top 5 google results for "same sex attraction":

1. lds.org (yikes!)
2. samesexattraction.org ["Help to overcome unwanted feelings of same sex attraction"]
3. people.com (story about the TLC show on not gay mormons)
4. todayschristianwoman.com (first line "Because the label 'same sex attraction' hadn't come out, I thought I was gay.")
5. mormonsandgays.org

So, 3 of the top 5 hits are mormon-related. You are right, 71, there is no way that the term could be considered pejorative!

[Uncle Ted]

I am ashamed of myself for getting caught up in these assinine arguments, but at least I don't use drugs.

Those of you who feel the way you do should make a effort to get the dictionary changed.

Really, you are a mind reader. If I use the term same sex attraction, I in no way am attempting to delegitimize a persons natural attraction. Tell me which of those 3 words in that phrase indicates unnatural?

Is that you, Elder Oaks?

Same-Gender Attraction

[...]

We should note that the words homosexual, lesbian, and gay are adjectives to describe particular thoughts, feelings, or behaviors. We should refrain from using these words as nouns to identify particular conditions or specific persons. Our religious doctrine dictates this usage. It is wrong to use these words to denote a condition, because this implies that a person is consigned by birth to a circumstance in which he or she has no choice in respect to the critically important matter of sexual behavior.
[...]

“Most of us are born with [or develop] thorns in the flesh, some more visible, some more serious than others. We all seem to have susceptibilities to one disorder or another, but whatever our susceptibilities, we have the will and the power to control our thoughts and our actions. This must be so. God has said that he holds us accountable for what we do and what we think, so our thoughts and actions must be controllable by our agency. Once we have reached the age or condition of accountability, the claim ‘I was born that way’ does not excuse actions or thoughts that fail to conform to the commandments of God. We need to learn how to live so that a weakness that is mortal will not prevent us from achieving the goal that is eternal.
[...]

https://www.lds.org/ensign/1995/10/s...ction?lang=eng

Bonus, the twins study...

A study of fifty-six pairs of identical male twins in which one twin classified himself as “gay” reported that 52 percent of the co-twins also classified themselves as gay. 11 A similar study of female identical twins yielded approximately the same proportion of co-twins who classified themselves as gay (thirty-four of seventy-one pairs, 48 percent). 12 If these studies show some inherited influence on whatever causes a man or woman to classify himself or herself as homosexual or lesbian, it is clear that this influence is not determinative. As a prominent scientist observed, “Even the identical twin of a gay man has a 50 percent or more chance of being heterosexual—even though he has the exact same genes and is reared by the same parents.” 13 We should also note that the results of these studies (and others described below) are based on the subjects’ self-classifications, a shaky foundation for scientific conclusions when “there is still no universally accepted definition of homosexuality among clinicians and behavioral scientists—let alone a consensus regarding its origins.” 14
[...]

[PaloAltoCougar]

"Gay" is much better, if only to eschew surplusage. Why use five syllables when one will do?

[byu71]

Top 5 google results for "same sex attraction":

1. lds.org (yikes!)
2. samesexattraction.org ["Help to overcome unwanted feelings of same sex attraction"]
3. people.com (story about the TLC show on not gay mormons)
4. todayschristianwoman.com (first line "Because the label 'same sex attraction' hadn't come out, I thought I was gay.")
5. mormonsandgays.org

So, 3 of the top 5 hits are mormon-related. You are right, 71, there is no way that the term could be considered pejorative!

Yea, if I thought like you, I would come to your conclusion.

All that tells me is the members of the church are going through a period of time where they are dealing with their beliefs, teachings and what they see around them. They are becoming more aware of the issue and are looking to gain some perspective.

I am sure there are those who think like BKP. I will bet they aren't the ones doing the google search.

I would hope you in the future wouldn't automatically associate mormons with biggotry.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I would hope the author would also respect my feelings about being offended and not refer to himself as a gay mormon. I don't refer to myself as a straight mormon. We are both just mormons.

Let me guess: you use essentially this same argument to whine about the term "African American". Amirite?

[Applejack]

Yea, if I thought like you, I would come to your conclusion.

All that tells me is the members of the church are going through a period of time where they are dealing with their beliefs, teachings and what they see around them. They are becoming more aware of the issue and are looking to gain some perspective.

I am sure there are those who think like BKP. I will bet they aren't the ones doing the google search.

I would hope you in the future wouldn't automatically associate mormons with biggotry.

I don't think you understand what google is.

[byu71]

Let me guess: you use essentially this same argument to whine about the term "African American". Amirite?

You are one of the shittiest guessers on this board. You remind me of the guy on CNN who referred to the Black French terrorist as African American. You are so caught up in PC you get a boner if you think you can call someone on being un PC.

[byu71]

I don't think you understand what google is.

and I think you have your head up your butt. We could both be wrong, both right, one right.

I wonder if we differ in which would be the correct answer?

[Jeff Lebowski]

You are one of the shittiest guessers on this board. You remind me of the guy on CNN who referred to the Black French terrorist as African American. You are so caught up in PC you get a boner if you think you can call someone on being un PC.

You should stop beating this "political correctness" drum. That is one of silliest, most worn-out, and hijacked expressions in the English language. Nobody, and I mean nobody, is censoring or trying to control your speech. You are more than welcome to continue to use out-of-date, meaningless, and sometimes offensive expressions. Knock yourself out.

In the meantime, as a matter of free speech and expression, some of us will suggest that it is probably not a good idea to refer to a group of people using a term that they themselves almost never use. Consider it a simple matter of respect and courtesy.

[byu71]

You should stop beating this "political correctness" drum. That is one of silliest, most worn-out, and hijacked expressions in the English language. Nobody, and I mean nobody, is censoring or trying to control your speech. You are more than welcome to continue to use out-of-date, meaningless, and sometimes offensive expressions. Knock yourself out.

In the meantime, as a matter of free speech and expression, some of us will suggest that it is probably not a good idea to refer to a group of people using a term that they themselves almost never use. Consider it a simple matter of respect and courtesy.

LOL, I will bet you were or are a great Sunday School teacher. I have grown up a lot though. As a teenager when an adult gave me advice on how to act, I would secretly flip them off.

No such thoughts. I am just sitting here with a big smile on my face.

[Uncle Ted]

"Gay" is much better, if only to eschew surplusage. Why use five syllables when one will do?

You can use "gay" as long as you don't use it as a noun. How about "a donut lover that eats donuts"?