Same-sex marriage coming to Utah

[byu71]

Hey, I believe in traditional marriage too!

What a weird way to talk about being anti-gay marriage. You know people deep down are embarrassed by it because they won't even call it what it is.

I don't know what the "it" is you are referring to. I honestly don't give a crap one way about gay marriage anymore.

I do have friends though who still have feelings, both ways. These friends are equally good people, intelligent, and not bigots. I don't why, but it bugs me when people call either one of them names or put labels on them.

I have always had a high regard for you and still do. Just don't appreciate the intolerance you are showing here.

[byu71]

I'm all for traditional marriage. One man, lots of concubines, just like the bible intended.

Good post. Actually one of the best posts you have made.

[UVACoug]

I find it interesting that the president of a public university would put his name with an amicus brief that was filed by an anti-gay marriage group. I don't care that he is against SSM, but when you are a public figure and represent a public institution it seems better judgment is in order.

http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/246146...-holland-hurts

It's not like his position was a secret.

[Uncle Ted]

I find it interesting that the president of a public university would put his name with an amicus brief that was filed by an anti-gay marriage group. I don't care that he is against SSM, but when you are a public figure and represent a public institution it seems better judgment is in order.

http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/246146...-holland-hurts

Public University? I thought UVU was just another BYU-whatever for students that can't get into The BYU to go to. I am guessing that 90% of the people at that BYU-whatever campus could care less.

BTW, did the fellow faculty and staff at the University of Utah1 get upset that Dr. Richard Farnsworth also has his name and the university's name on that document? What a black eye for the Pac-whatever. I am sure they are regretting their decision of inviting Utah now.

1 Institutions listed for identification purposes only. Opinions expressed are those of the individual amici, and not necessarily of their affiliated institutions.

[TripletDaddy]

Public University? I thought UVU was just another BYU-whatever for students that can't get into The BYU to go to. I am guessing that 90% of the people at that BYU-whatever campus could care less.

BTW, did the fellow faculty and staff at the University of Utah1 get upset that Dr. Richard Farnsworth also has his name and the university's name on that document? What a black eye for the Pac-whatever. I am sure they are regretting their decision of inviting Utah now.

Probably not since the u of u is also for students that can't get into BYU.

[frank ryan]

Public University? I thought UVU was just another BYU-whatever for students that can't get into The BYU to go to. I am guessing that 90% of the people at that BYU-whatever campus could care less.

BTW, did the fellow faculty and staff at the University of Utah1 get upset that Dr. Richard Farnsworth also has his name and the university's name on that document? What a black eye for the Pac-whatever. I am sure they are regretting their decision of inviting Utah now.

No, there are a lot of people attending UVU or otherwise affiliated with it who are pissed.

[byu71]

No, there are a lot of people attending UVU or otherwise affiliated with it who are pissed.

I was wondering this the other day when something else was going on. When 20-30% of a population is pissed about something, are the leaders of the institution they lead supposed to react to their being pissed?

I think we pay far to much attention to activists and whiners.

By the way I consider Ted Cruz and our Senator Lee in that category.

[Non Sequitur]

Hey, I believe in traditional marriage too!

What a weird way to talk about being anti-gay marriage. You know people deep down are embarrassed by it because they won't even call it what it is.

It's too complicated today. I like the good old days, when a traditional marriage was just a white marrying a white and a black marrying a black.

[byu71]

It's too complicated today. I like the good old days, when a traditional marriage was just a white marrying a white and a black marrying black.

NO way. I have never ever had an inkling of a thought that you were racist. You must think that because of a cultural difference between the races. Is that why?

[Sullyute]

I find it interesting that the president of a public university would put his name with an amicus brief that was filed by an anti-gay marriage group. I don't care that he is against SSM, but when you are a public figure and represent a public institution it seems better judgment is in order.

http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/246146...-holland-hurts

Looking at the health of several of the apostles and potential positions opening up, maybe he is just vying for an general authority gig.

[Nakoma]

Looking at the health of several of the apostles and potential positions opening up, maybe he is just vying for an general authority gig.

His father and him could be referred to as Elder Holland and Elder Holland the Younger.

[TripletDaddy]

BTW, did the fellow faculty and staff at the University of Utah1 get upset that Dr. Richard Farnsworth also has his name and the university's name on that document? What a black eye for the Pac-whatever. I am sure they are regretting their decision of inviting Utah now.

utah med students already protesting this professor and his apparent claims that same sex marriage will lead to lots of abortions. They are asking him to show his research supporting that claim. lol.

[Uncle Ted]

Same-sex marriage coming to BYU

Christians schools will have no choice about gay marriage: Column

Justice Alito posed a predictable, but revealing question to Solicitor General Donald Verrilli, Jr., in the recent Supreme Court same-sex marriage oral argument: "In the Bob Jones case, the court held that a college was not entitled to tax exempt status if it opposed interracial marriage or interracial dating. So would the same apply to a university or a college if it opposed same-sex marriage?"


Verrilli replied that he would need to know more specifics, but allowed that "it's certainly going to be an issue. I don't deny that."


The solicitor general's answer should have been and probably was practiced. The question was unlikely to have surprised Verrilli, especially with the kind of preparation undertaken by the highest appellate lawyer for the United States in such high stakes situations. Such preparations would include multiple moot courts, simulated arguments with various lawyers playing the roles of each of the members of the Supreme Court trying to ask as many questions as possible.

As an appellate litigator and the coach of eight collegiate national moot court championship teams, I understand the goal of such preparation. You never want to hear a question from the bench that you have not thought about ahead of time.


Alito's question was premised on the Bob Jones University case from 1983 in which the IRS revoked the school's tax exempt status because of its policies on interracial dating and marriage. BJU defended on the basis of the free exercise of religion. The Supreme Court rejected their defense holding that the government's goal of eradicating racial discrimination in marriage was more important than BJU's religious rights.


So, the follow-up question from Alito's question is obvious: If the court rules in favor of same sex marriage, how can religious colleges that refuse to acknowledge such unions avoid BJU's fate?
[...]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinio...lumn/26883351/


or maybe future donations will be taxable.

[UtahDan]

BJU stood on its principles and paid taxes going forward as well as the retroactive taxes it was ordered to pay by the court.

[Uncle Ted]

BJU stood on its principles and paid taxes going forward as well as the retroactive taxes it was ordered to pay by the court.

LeTourneau University may beat BJU and BYU to it...

LeTourneau University bans student-athletes from same-sex dating, vocalizing support of gay marriage

LeTourneau University is making national headlines today, because of its ban on gay student-athletes and for vocalizing support for same-sex marriage.


According to reports from online blog outsports.com, the school's policy runs against the spirit of the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights.


At issue is a statement in the school's student-athlete handbook that reads, "Consistent with our desire to celebrate and model a Scriptural approach to sexuality;, the University prohibits same-sex dating behaviors and public advocacy for the position that sex outside of a biblically-defined marriage is morally acceptable."


Any student-athlete who violates the measure could be ousted from their respective LeTourneau University athletic team. Former students say the language was included in the handbook dating back to the 2012-2013 school year.


LeTourneau University is a nondenominational Christian school and competes in Division III of the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA).


The university has issued a statement:


“We were never contacted for comment before the story was posted on the blog. Our overall policy has always reflected who we are as a private Christian university. That's not new. LETU is very clear in the student and student-athlete handbooks about our Christian mission and faith statement and our behavioral expectations, and all students and student-athletes are provided with the handbooks and are expected to abide by the code of conduct outlined in them.”

http://www.cbs19.tv/story/29116971/l...f-gay-marriage


So with a biblically-defined marriage having a few concubines on the side is cool, right?