Same-sex marriage coming to Utah

[Sullyute]

After reading wuap and CJ's posts to each other, i assume all Spanish swear words start with a 'c'. Interesting phenomenon.

[MartyFunkhouser]

Like the polygamy policy, I don't see this as being seen too often. That said, I don't understand the policy and I don't really like it.

It doesn't make me angry and bitter like many I see here and on facebook, though. I'm still all in.

I can think of at least 5-6 of my cases alone where this policy will prohibit a baptism. The LDS church tries to force gays to live a heterosexual lifestyle, which is going to fail in most circumstances. Child(ren) born + divorce + Gay parent cohabitates/marries = children can't be baptized.

This policy is hateful. The LDS church should take down the Mormon and gays site today. They should just come out and be honest and say the truth. "We as the LDS Church hate fags."

[Topper]

It's not about Spanish insults, it's about Wuap being an over weight white guy that pretends he is Latino. My family is actually Latino they don't have to pretend. I have what Wuap has worked all his life to achieve.

Why do you believe he wants to be Latino? Simply because he loves Spanish language and culture? Shouldn't you appreciate others from outside the culture wanting to know your heritage? Btw, even I with limited poor Spanish know "cabrones", as our local Latinos use it among themselves. I had to look up wuap's insult though. Wuap may be surprised how many insults are cross-cultural now.

Carry on with your feud.

[Commando]

They should just come out and be honest and say the truth. "We as the LDS Church hate fags."

I actually don't think that would be a very good move.

[Topper]

I actually don't think that would be a very good move.

Well they just did that, or that is how the world interprets the most recent decision.

[Moliere]

Seriously bro, you have issues. Check yourself. I know there is a lot of childish banter back and forth on CS, but this is over the top ass-holery. Grow up.

He's just the mean bully that likes to beat up on the fat kid, which is ironic.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Here is the exact wording:

A natural or adopted child of a parent living in a same-gender relationship, whether the couple is married or cohabiting, may be baptized and confirmed, ordained, or recommended for missionary service only as follows:

A mission president or a stake president may request approval from the Office of the First Presidency to baptize and confirm, ordain, or recommend missionary service for a child of a parent who has lived or is living in a same-gender relationship when he is satisfied by personal interviews that both of the following requirements are met:

1. The child accepts and is committed to live the teachings and doctrine of the Church, and specifically disavows the practice of same-gender cohabitation and marriage.

2. The child is of legal age and does not live with a parent who has lived or currently lives in a same-gender cohabitation relationship or marriage.

Some claim that exceptions will be freely given. But it seems to state very specifically that approval from the FP can only be sought after the child is 18. Please help me understand what I am missing.

[Harry Tic]

You don't know what you just said, carepicha.

Pro-tip for you, Wuap: the Ignore button. One click and you'll find that the collective IQ on this board seems to jump by about 50 points.

[imanihonjin]

Here is the exact wording:



Some claim that exceptions will be freely given. But it seems to state very specifically that approval from the FP can only be sought after the child is 18. Please help me understand what I am missing.

I would agree with you. Sorry but that is ridiculous. If I am 45 and my dad was gay and lived with someone, I would have to get first presidency approval to be baptized and could only do so after disavowing the practice.

[Commando]

Don't you think this is just the Church shielding itself from having to change everything around now that gay marriage is legal? You can't really just come out and say homosexual sex is a sin without bringing controversy, so it was easier to reference sexual relations outside of marriage as sinful. Well now you have gay marriage, and with it gay couples potentially blessing babies and baptizing children and the Church perceived as changing its doctrine on the eternal nature of the family by default. Can the Church approve a baptism for a child who finds himself in this situation on a case-by-case basis?

[Moliere]

Here is the exact wording:



Some claim that exceptions will be freely given. But it seems to state very specifically that approval from the FP can only be sought after the child is 18. Please help me understand what I am missing.

Yikes, you are right about them having to be 18. I had also just looked it up and realized I was wrong. What a stupid policy. Thankfully I'm not a bishop and after this I'd refuse any calling to be such.

[MartyFunkhouser]

Here is the exact wording:



Some claim that exceptions will be freely given. But it seems to state very specifically that approval from the FP can only be sought after the child is 18. Please help me understand what I am missing.

Exactly, the policy as written does not allow for exceptions, even from the First Presidency, for a child. The person must become an adult and tell their fag parents off before baptism.

[Commando]

He's just the mean bully that likes to beat up on the fat kid, which is ironic.

I had no idea that CJ was a skinny Mexican.

[Commando]

I would agree with you. Sorry but that is ridiculous. If I am 45 and my dad was gay and lived with someone, I would have to get first presidency approval to be baptized and could only do so after disavowing the practice.

I am inclined to believe the policy is for children. Reaching the age of 18 is one of the prerequisites I guess for someone in that situation.

[Topper]

Yikes, you are right about them having to be 18. I had also just looked it up and realized I was wrong. What a stupid policy. Thankfully I'm not a bishop and after this I'd refuse any calling to be such.

Also, the child must "specifically disavows the practice of same-gender cohabitation and marriage" of his parent. That is disconcerting.