Same-sex marriage coming to Utah

[kccougar]

Your words are thoughtful. However, it does not appear leadership considered carefully the public backlash from its awkward approach to this issue. Ever since Proposition 8 blew up in its face, the Church has been in a lose-lose situation. If I read the demographics correctly, the Church is bleeding members at a rate unseen before in its history. The consistent negative press it is receiving hurts the declared mission of the Church, as they are just killing interest with Millennials and those younger.

Btw, I enjoy reading about your ranching as it reminds me of my family's gentleman ranching. We were by no means real ranchers because we were cityfolk driving to the ranch on weekends. Nonetheless some fond memories are evoked by your commentary. Keep it up.

If they are in a lose-lose situation then it doesn't really matter how much consideration leadership did or did not put into it, no?

[cougjunkie]

I won't take my name off the records of the church; they're going to have to get rid of me.



You don't know what you just said, carepicha.

You seem to forget my family has legit Hispanic roots, they don't pretend like you.

[Topper]

If they are in a lose-lose situation then it doesn't really matter how much consideration leadership did or did not put into it, no?

Well, one choice may cause more losses than the other. There are winning scenarios but the leadership won't choose them. For a religion that made its name on continuing revelation, it should be the easiest religion to adapt to new situations. Instead of ease of recognizing past injustices, the religion is known for its intransigence towards change.

For example, let's say, the Church looked at its history and received a revelation extending full blessings of the priesthood to woman. It could be on the forefront before the Catholics.

I don't how to address the gay marriage issue from LDS theology but there could be more understanding through revelation. Instead, it appears the BRM wing of the Church is gaining traction and the Church is moving further away from society. Given the wealth of intelligent people, it is surprising that they continue to make so many easy to see miscalculations.

[Commando]

Not gonna lie. I had to look up rimrocked.

[Topper]

You seem to forget my family has legit Hispanic roots, they don't pretend like you.

Are you betting your knowledge of Spanish insults against Wuap's?

[Topper]

Not gonna lie. I had to look up rimrocked.

It's a term I wish I didn't look up.

[Commando]

It's a term I wish I didn't look up.

You're not supposed to look on Urban Dictionary, dude.

[Topper]

You're not supposed to look on Urban Dictionary, dude.

You wrote that?

[Eddie]

We have a lot of polygs, and if it is handled the same, exceptions are pretty easy to approve. A situation like JL described would be a slam dunk rubber stamp approval from the first presidency. Sure, kids are old enough to know right from wrong enough to get baptized at 8, but are they mature enough to decide whether they want to be a part of an organization that specifically excludes one or more of their parents? Probably not. This, like the polygamy policy, is just designed to allow kids to be old enough an mature enough to make that weighty decision.

I understand and empathize with the concern for kids and being punished for their parents' choices. However, if it is like the polygamist situation we deal with, they are able to participate in every way but go to the temple if they want to. It takes a few more hoops, but it is possible. Also, since this will likely involve very few kids, I think each case will be thoughtfully considered instead of just automatically approved/not approved based on what is written in the handbook.

I don't know why I bothered writing this, since everyone has their mind made up, but I guess it helped me not think about the cows I have on the mountain that are likely snowed in and rimrocked.

Actually, my first response was similar to most here. WTF? After thinking it over a little longer, it does remind me of the polyg policy - and I'm feeling more like what you describe than I initially did.

To be honest, I don't get why the no name and blessing. It isn't a saving ordinance - it's really a nothing ordinance. And it is extremely common for grandparents to bless their grandchildren from a wayward child. How is this different? Is the perception that the wayward child may return, but a gay person in a cohabitating relationship never will? I'm hoping that people don't imply from this that gay folks and their children really shouldn't have any kind of blessing?

If only the church had access to lawyerly advice that would have helped them craft a policy that wouldn't need to be back-tracked...

I'm sorry, I don't see any back-tracking anytime soon. I think the church is very deliberate in policy. They knew exactly what they were doing. If it ends up being revised, it will happen when the next version of the CHOI is slated to be rolled out.

I don't think they roll out new versions any more. In the KUTV story, they had a copy of the cover from 2006. From what I understand, the most recent version is online, and leaders are now encouraged to consult the online version - as it will be the most up to date. So policies aren't bound by some handbook print deadline any longer.

[Topper]

Take it for what it's worth.

http://www.cougarboard.com/board/mes...ml?id=14866062

[cougjunkie]

Are you betting your knowledge of Spanish insults against Wuap's?

It's not about Spanish insults, it's about Wuap being an over weight white guy that pretends he is Latino. My family is actually Latino they don't have to pretend. I have what Wuap has worked all his life to achieve.

[cougjunkie]

Same-sex marriage coming to Utah

I won't take my name off the records of the church; they're going to have to get rid of me.
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I don't under your anger at all. Without the church you are nothing, you are not an intro to Spanish teacher at a community college making a below average wage.

You are a typical RM, serve a Spanish speaking mission, probably came home with a bunch of soccer jerseys, during your homecoming talk you pretend to not know certain English words. Every time you see a brown person you start busting out some Spanish, the minute you came home you planned a trip to head back. Studied Spanish in college because hey you are fluent after 2 years and it's an easy major. The difference is most of these RMs lose the weirdness and get on with life, you are still trying to live out that dream of acceptance.

Face it bro you are the product of white slave owners from the south, you will never be accepted.

[MartyFunkhouser]

The church is doing these kids and their gay parents a favor by getting the the child out of the house sooner.

Actually, it doesn't "get them out of the home." Once you are branded as a child of a gay, you are denied baptism until you are 18 years of age and apparently publicly disavow you gay parent(s). Guess what other kids this prohibits from being baptized, a child born of a man/woman where one of the parents later comes out as a gay and enters into a committed relationship. So basically, if a woman divorces a gay man and has custody of the child and both parents consent to the baptism, the child cannot be baptized until he turns 18 and disowns his gay father.

[imanihonjin]

I don't under your anger at all. Without the church you are nothing, you are not an intro to Spanish teacher at a community college making a below average wage.

You are a typical RM, serve a Spanish speaking mission, probably came home with a bunch of soccer jerseys, during your homecoming talk you pretend to not know certain English words. Every time you see a brown person you start busting out some Spanish, the minute you came home you planned a trip to head back. Studied Spanish in college because hey you are fluent after 2 years and it's an easy major. The difference is most of these RMs lose the weirdness and get on with life, you are still trying to live out that dream of acceptance.

Face it bro you are the product of white slave owners from the south, you will never be accepted.

Seriously bro, you have issues. Check yourself. I know there is a lot of childish banter back and forth on CS, but this is over the top ass-holery. Grow up.

[imanihonjin]

Actually, it doesn't "get them out of the home." Once you are branded as a child of a gay, you are denied baptism until you are 18 years of age and apparently publicly disavow you gay parent(s). Guess what other kids this prohibits from being baptized, a child born of a man/woman where one of the parents later comes out as a gay and enters into a committed relationship. So basically, if a woman divorces a gay man and has custody of the child and both parents consent to the baptism, the child cannot be baptized until he turns 18 and disowns his gay father.

Not technically true (can still get first presidency approval), but that doesn't save the blunder that is this policy.