Jeff Flake's racist son

[Maximus]

What BYU's Randy Bott said just last year is a "bullshit accusation"?

So you think what Randy Bott said is equal to teaching people to hate black people. Gotcha.

[Indy Coug]

This thread is one giant

[Uncle Ted]

And what makes him "seem" that way ... other than the fact that he attends the same church as Randy Bott, of course.

Other than his obviously racist public comments? The kid is 15. Didn't anyone teach him anything about making racist comments or is this kid mentally handicapped to the point he doesn't know any better? I am guesting he was following his parents' and/or peers' examples. And is this the first this kid went off on like this? Most likely not. Apparently no one in a parental or leadership role stressed how hurtful racist comments can be. In my long experience with working with LDS youth with this problem I have found the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

As for Bott he is not the only one... Joanna Brooks made the same observation:

Bott was the highest-rated professor in America in 2008, according to RateMyProfessor.com. He teaches large sections of required religion courses, including courses designed to prepare future missionaries, to as many as 3,000 students a year. This semester, more than 800 students are registered in Professor Bott’s classes. (Eleven are registered for BYU’s African-American history course this semester.) Professors at BYU routinely find themselves having to address racist and sexist content taught in Bott’s classes, and many are outraged and embarrassed by his rogue remarks to the Washington Post, say sources at the university. “Dr. Bott does not speak for BYU or the Church and his views are his own,” one religion faculty member told me.


But Professor Bott is no outlier. Especially among older Mormons, racist rationale for the priesthood ban—linking it to Old Testament pretexts, or to moral infirmity in a pre-earthly life by the souls of Africans and African-Americans, and other racist apologetic mental gymnastics exemplified in Bott’s statement to the Post—persist and circulate, generally unquestioned and unchallenged.


For its part, the LDS Church has never authoritatively addressed racist theologies developed in defense of the ban in the late nineteenth and twentieth centuries. Instead, it has attempted to step quietly beyond its racist past, as it has with many other thorny and troubling historical matters.

http://www.religiondispatches.org/di...troversy_%7c_/

Because it was such a problem in the church Hinckley had to address it in just 2006:

Throughout the 1980s and 1990s, when questioned about the ban in public, LDS Church leaders continued to sidestep its origins and rationale. Mormons hungry for a more direct approach welcomed LDS Church President Gordon B. Hinckley’s 2006 address, “The Need for Greater Kindness,” as a long-awaited denunciation of racism:

“Racial strife still lifts its ugly head. I am advised that even right here among us there is some of this. I cannot understand how it can be. It seemed to me that we all rejoiced in the 1978 revelation given President Kimball. I was there in the temple at the time that that happened. There was no doubt in my mind or in the minds of my associates that what was revealed was the mind and the will of the Lord. Now I am told that racial slurs and denigrating remarks are sometimes heard among us. I remind you that no man who makes disparaging remarks concerning those of another race can consider himself a true disciple of Christ.”
But neither Hinckley nor any other Church official used an authoritative Church setting or occasion to formally and specifically renounce racist teachings propounded by earlier Mormon leaders.

And without open renunciation of racist theologies by LDS Church leaders, Professor Randy Bott (who on his personal blog apologetically prevaricates on facts of Mormon history) and others have continued to espouse and communicate them to a new generation of Mormons.

So go ahead, roll your eyes, and minimalize this and other mormon racist comments. The next thing you may know is you may find your kid making highly racist comments in a public setting because he doesn't know any better either.

[Maximus]

Other than his obviously racist public comments? The kid is 15. Didn't anyone teach him anything about making racist comments or is this kid mentally handicapped to the point he doesn't know any better? I am guesting he was following his parents' and/or peers' examples. And is this the first this kid went off on like this? Most likely not. Apparently no one in a parental or leadership role stressed how hurtful racist comments can be. In my long experience with working with LDS youth with this problem I have found the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

As for Bott he is not the only one... Joanna Brooks made the same observation:


http://www.religiondispatches.org/di...troversy_%7c_/

Because it was such a problem in the church Hinckley had to address it in just 2006:


So go ahead, roll your eyes, and minimalize this and other mormon racist comments. The next thing you may know is you may find your kid making highly racist comments in a public setting because he doesn't know any better either.

So do you have any evidence whatsoever that this kid is saying racist things because someone taught him to, or are you just assuming all mormons are taught to be racist because some mormons have some racist ideas?

[Lost Student]

Other than his obviously racist public comments? The kid is 15. Didn't anyone teach him anything about making racist comments or is this kid mentally handicapped to the point he doesn't know any better? I am guesting he was following his parents' and/or peers' examples. And is this the first this kid went off on like this? Most likely not. Apparently no one in a parental or leadership role stressed how hurtful racist comments can be. In my long experience with working with LDS youth with this problem I have found the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

As for Bott he is not the only one... Joanna Brooks made the same observation:


http://www.religiondispatches.org/di...troversy_%7c_/

Because it was such a problem in the church Hinckley had to address it in just 2006:


So go ahead, roll your eyes, and minimalize this and other mormon racist comments. The next thing you may know is you may find your kid making highly racist comments in a public setting because he doesn't know any better either.

I've got some bad news, Uncle T. Sometimes, kids don't do what they're told.

[Uncle Ted]

So do you have any evidence whatsoever that this kid is saying racist things because someone taught him to, or are you just assuming all mormons are taught to be racist because some mormons have some racist ideas?

It should be clear that this kid was never taught how hurtful his racist comments can be. Of course, he could just too dumb to know better.

Mormons have a long and even recent history of making racist comments even in very public settings. The problem as noted by Brooks and others remains because the racist doctrine continues to be promoted by many in the church. I don't assume all mormons are racist but just the ones that are too dumb to believe the pure BS people like Bott taught at the church's university even up to last year.

[Uncle Ted]

I've got some bad news, Uncle T. Sometimes, kids don't do what they're told.

True. But how hard is it to take away the internet and the kid's phone? Of course, given that Senator Flake's approval rating was 18 before all this came out maybe Jeff will have more time to work on being a better parent after the next election cycle.

[Indy Coug]

True. But how hard is it to take away the internet and the kid's phone? Of course, given that Senator Flake's approval rating was 18 before all this came out maybe Jeff will have more time to work on being a better parent after the next election cycle.

Or maybe he can do this.

[SCcoug]

True. But how hard is it to take away the internet and the kid's phone? Of course, given that Senator Flake's approval rating was 18 before all this came out maybe Jeff will have more time to work on being a better parent after the next election cycle.

Bad news Uncle Ted, that is six years away. By that time lil' racist will be out of the house.

[Uncle Ted]

[QUOTE=SCcoug;987724]Bad news Uncle Ted, that is six years away. By that time lil' racist will be out of the house.[/QUOTE]

Good point. Jeff Flake's re-election is doomed for sure.

[Maximus]

It should be clear that this kid was never taught how hurtful his racist comments can be.

Why should that be clear?

[byu71]

Is there a concise definition of a "racist"? I hope it isn't like pornography. Hard to define, but you "or others will for you" know it when they see it?

[Indy Coug]

Is there a concise definition of a "racist"? I hope it isn't like pornography. Hard to define, but you "or others will for you" know it when they see it?

I was going to say that some people see this topic in only black-or-white, but that might be misconstrued as racist.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

When I was a senior in high school, they sent around a questionnaire to all the kids in my graduating class. They were going to use the answers from the questionnaire to put quotes about different topics in the yearbook. There were around 700 kids in my graduating class and they had about 20 questions and they published around 5 quotes from each question in the yearbook. If you're doing the math and if only half of the submissions were filled out or legible, then that's about 7000 quotes to choose from for 100 total quotes. I had about 5 quotes published because they were either totally off the wall or the person editing that page couldn't tell if I was serious or not.

When they asked about your favorite vacation, I said Tijuana, Mexico because of the donkey show. When they asked what you'd do with a million dollars, I said I'd give it to the United Negro College Fund. When my parents saw my yearbook, they were mortified. Out of a school of close to 3,000 students, I think we had less than a hundred black students. The girl who edited the page of the yearbook where the United Negro College Fund quote was placed was black. She didn't know me and was a year or two below me. She probably just thought I was swell guy.

[New Mexican Disaster]

When I was a senior in high school, they sent around a questionnaire to all the kids in my graduating class. They were going to use the answers from the questionnaire to put quotes about different topics in the yearbook. There were around 700 kids in my graduating class and they had about 20 questions and they published around 5 quotes from each question in the yearbook. If you're doing the math and if only half of the submissions were filled out or legible, then that's about 7000 quotes to choose from for 100 total quotes. I had about 5 quotes published because they were either totally off the wall or the person editing that page couldn't tell if I was serious or not.

When they asked about your favorite vacation, I said Tijuana, Mexico because of the donkey show. When they asked what you'd do with a million dollars, I said I'd give it to the United Negro College Fund. When my parents saw my yearbook, they were mortified. Out of a school of close to 3,000 students, I think we had less than a hundred black students. The girl who edited the page of the yearbook where the United Negro College Fund quote was placed was black. She didn't know me and was a year or two below me. She probably just thought I was swell guy.

I said a lot of things to try to be funny including a large number of things that I had been specifically taught were wrong. I laughed at your antics... what happened CMBF you used to be so much fun.