If this is your first visit, be sure to
check out the FAQ by clicking the
link above. You may have to register
before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages,
select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.
That is pretty bad. Unfortunately, Arizona has big problem with Neo-Nazi types
In this case it might be more of a problem with a pool of members in the church itself. Recall just a year ago what a professor of religion at BYU said:
In his office, religion professor Randy Bott explains a possible theological underpinning of the ban. According to Mormon scriptures, the descendants of Cain, who killed his brother, Abel, “were black.” One of Cain’s descendants was Egyptus, a woman Mormons believe was the namesake of Egypt. She married Ham, whose descendants were themselves cursed and, in the view of many Mormons, barred from the priesthood by his father, Noah. Bott points to the Mormon holy text the Book of Abraham as suggesting that all of the descendants of Ham and Egyptus were thus black and barred from the priesthood.
It’s not clear whether Joseph Smith, the religion’s founder, who ordained at least one black priest, supported the ban. But his successor, Brigham Young, enforced it enthusiastically as the word of God, supporting slavery in Utah and decreeing that the “mark” on Cain was “the flat nose and black skin.” Young subsequently urged immediate death to any participant in mixing of the races. As recently as 1949, church leaders suggested that the ban on blacks resulted from the consequences of the “conduct of spirits in the pre-mortal existence.” As a result, many Mormons believed that blacks were less valiant in the pre-Earth life, or fence sitters in the war between God and Satan. That view has fallen out of favor in recent decades.
God has always been discriminatory” when it comes to whom he grants the authority of the priesthood, says Bott, the BYU theologian. He quotes Mormon scripture that states that the Lord gives to people “all that he seeth fit.” Bott compares blacks with a young child prematurely asking for the keys to her father’s car, and explains that similarly until 1978, the Lord determined that blacks were not yet ready for the priesthood.
“What is discrimination?” Bott asks. “I think that is keeping something from somebody that would be a benefit for them, right? But what if it wouldn’t have been a benefit to them?” Bott says that the denial of the priesthood to blacks on Earth — although not in the afterlife — protected them from the lowest rungs of hell reserved for people who abuse their priesthood powers. “You couldn’t fall off the top of the ladder, because you weren’t on the top of the ladder. So, in reality the blacks not having the priesthood was the greatest blessing God could give them.”
Not to mention a talk on "tolerance traps" in the last conference. The bottom line is a lot of mormons still believe that those with "skin of blackness" are "a dark, fitly, and loathsome" people but white people are "delightsome" and obedient. Jake Flake's son was most likely taught this by his parents, seminary teachers, and/or church leaders. Growing up I was told by seminary teachers and church leaders that people with darker skin is a sign of that these folks were less obedient in both the preexistence and in this life as well.
"If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU. "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek. GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
This kid is just dumb. Most likely he's not a racist but, like many kids, has adopted lingo that is far from PC. I'm always amazed at the stuff some teens say.
I was always amazed at how many people I knew at BYU that would make jokes using those words. Good people who never intended anything malicious (and were certainly not racists), but didn't seem to understand (or to be bothered by) how offensive what they were saying was. I never really got that.
This kid is just dumb. Most likely he's not a racist but, like many kids, has adopted lingo that is far from PC. I'm always amazed at the stuff some teens say.
Huh? If that's not racist, nothing is.
"There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
This kid is just dumb. Most likely he's not a racist but, like many kids, has adopted lingo that is far from PC. I'm always amazed at the stuff some teens say.
You are right about "N1ggerkiller"...
He is one messed up kid.
"If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU. "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek. GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
In this case it might be more of a problem with a pool of members in the church itself. Recall just a year ago what a professor of religion at BYU said:
Not to mention a talk on "tolerance traps" in the last conference. The bottom line is a lot of mormons still believe that those with "skin of blackness" are "a dark, fitly, and loathsome" people but white people are "delightsome" and obedient. Jake Flake's son was most likely taught this by his parents, seminary teachers, and/or church leaders. Growing up I was told by seminary teachers and church leaders that people with darker skin is a sign of that these folks were less obedient in both the preexistence and in this life as well.
Oh please ... I know Jeff Flake and I 100% guarantee you that he didn't teach his son any of that crap.
Oh please ... I know Jeff Flake and I 100% guarantee you that he didn't teach his son any of that crap.
Apparently Jeff Flake didn't teach his son a lot of things.
"If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU. "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek. GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
Apparently he didn't. That doesn't excuse your bullshit accusation that he and his Church leaders taught his son to hate black people.
What BYU's Randy Bott said just last year is a "bullshit accusation"?
"If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU. "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek. GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
Apparently Jeff Flake didn't teach his son a lot of things.
Many kids, maybe your own, act one way around their family and another way around their friends and on social media. When I referee sports I'm constantly shocked how the kids address each other. It's not uncommon to hear N-bombs and other urban lingo coming out of the mouths of white, Polynesian, Latino, and AA kids. I find it offensive in the extreme but they don't seem to have a problem with it when they are addressing each other.
Comment