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  • All-American
    Right, as Usual
    • Nov 2008
    • 15643

    #271
    Originally posted by beefytee View Post

    How about this prediction by Walter that AI will be limited to very specific closed systems?

    Things are impossible until they aren't. AA will argue that about fusion.

    As I stated about 5 years ago. I still think SSC are at least 10 years out and closer to 45 years out (minus the 5 years from my previous prediction).
    First of all, the fact that it was ten years ago is mildly upsetting.

    Ten years in, any objective viewer would compare Walter’s prediction to that of the opening poster and say Walter got the better of the two.

    The lazy retort would be, well, there’s still a lot of future ahead of us. And, sure, who knows what another ten or fifty years will bring. But what the last ten years has shown is stubborn resilience by the obstacles to autonomous vehicles, with some gains in the margins through limited automated features.

    The big change that appears to be looming in the auto industry isn’t autonomous driving—it is electrification. And the resources being brought to bear to facilitate that transition illuminate the obstacles that would have to be overcome if other innovations, like autonomous vehicles, are to gain any traction.

    If you are thinking in the lens of where there is governmental and investor backing, a field that is like electrification of vehicles, but unlike autonomous driving, is fusion power. I think over the next decade we will see limited gains in autonomous vehicles but significant progress toward fusion-powered electricity on a commercial scale.

    Another ten years from now, you can make fun of me for that whiff too.
    τὸν ἥλιον ἀνατέλλοντα πλείονες ἢ δυόμενον προσκυνοῦσιν

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    • Jeff Lebowski
      Corporate lackey for Jesus
      • Nov 2008
      • 69538

      #272
      Originally posted by All-American View Post

      First of all, the fact that it was ten years ago is mildly upsetting.

      Ten years in, any objective viewer would compare Walter’s prediction to that of the opening poster and say Walter got the better of the two.

      The lazy retort would be, well, there’s still a lot of future ahead of us. And, sure, who knows what another ten or fifty years will bring. But what the last ten years has shown is stubborn resilience by the obstacles to autonomous vehicles, with some gains in the margins through limited automated features.

      The big change that appears to be looming in the auto industry isn’t autonomous driving—it is electrification. And the resources being brought to bear to facilitate that transition illuminate the obstacles that would have to be overcome if other innovations, like autonomous vehicles, are to gain any traction.

      If you are thinking in the lens of where there is governmental and investor backing, a field that is like electrification of vehicles, but unlike autonomous driving, is fusion power. I think over the next decade we will see limited gains in autonomous vehicles but significant progress toward fusion-powered electricity on a commercial scale.

      Another ten years from now, you can make fun of me for that whiff too.
      And 10 years after that, and 10 years after that, and 10 years after that…
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      • All-American
        Right, as Usual
        • Nov 2008
        • 15643

        #273
        Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post

        And 10 years after that, and 10 years after that, and 10 years after that…
        I have every confidence that I will be giving you reasons to laugh at me for many years hence.
        τὸν ἥλιον ἀνατέλλοντα πλείονες ἢ δυόμενον προσκυνοῦσιν

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        • beefytee
          Board eye candy
          • Mar 2009
          • 7542

          #274
          For the record, I'm not laughing. There could easily be a breakthrough like a flip of the switch where fusion is practical. I appreciate your optimism, even if I'm skeptical.

          I wouldn't call the advancements around SDC marginal, though. I have a car now that can maintain its lane and be aware of cars around it and adjust speeds accordingly. That is a huge advancement over the car I had 10 years ago. The main practical functionality is there and there are SDCs in use today in limited situations and environments.

          But, there will never be an easy flip of the switch with SDCs as compared with something like could happen with Fusion. It will be a battle all the way through that last mile to get everything to work and reach a tipping point. That is likely to take a long time.

          As far as EV's are concerned. If the solid-state batteries pan out and the range increases dramatically, I think then we will hit a tipping point where ICE go away pretty quickly. We'll see. I know there has been lots of concern over power infrastructure. I'm not as concerned about that. It shouldn't be too big of an issue to build it out over time. The grid will adapt. Hopefully fusion is part of that.

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          • All-American
            Right, as Usual
            • Nov 2008
            • 15643

            #275
            Tesla announces that all US cars capable of FSD (full self-driving) will be enabled for a one month trial this week.

            https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1772444422971494838

            Luckily, we know from experience that no new technological innovation Musk sets his hand to ever blows up in his face, especially not in the literal sense.
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            • falafel
              loves to talk on things
              • Mar 2009
              • 37906

              #276
              Originally posted by All-American View Post
              Tesla announces that all US cars capable of FSD (full self-driving) will be enabled for a one month trial this week.

              https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1772444422971494838

              Luckily, we know from experience that no new technological innovation Musk sets his hand to ever blows up in his face, especially not in the literal sense.
              Guess who's* getting an additional 30 minutes of sleep on the way to work this week!








              * Its not me. I don't own a Tesla and I don't really like them.
              Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

              Dig your own grave, and save!

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              • Northwestcoug
                Cocked and Loaded
                • May 2011
                • 17947

                #277
                This is a new one. Power outages in San Francisco stalled Waymo cars in traffic.

                https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/21/u...d=bsky-nytimes
                "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
                "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
                - SeattleUte

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                • Northwestcoug
                  Cocked and Loaded
                  • May 2011
                  • 17947

                  #278
                  If the human 'phone-a-friends' in the Philippines drive anything like they do in Bali, I'm not sure I want to step into a Waymo!

                  In a statement to Futurism, a Waymo spokesperson said that its fleet response teams are “located in the US and abroad” and are “required to have a passenger car or van license, and are reviewed for records of traffic violations, infractions, and driving-related convictions.”

                  Waymo has been fairly upfront about its human operators. In a May 2024 blog post, the company compared it to a “phone-a-friend.”

                  “When the Waymo vehicle encounters a particular situation on the road, the autonomous driver can reach out to a human fleet response agent for additional information to contextualize its environment,” the post reads. “The Waymo Driver [software] does not rely solely on the inputs it receives from the fleet response agent and it is in control of the vehicle at all times.”

                  In case the car’s driving software encounters something atypical, it may choose to send a request to a human fleet response agent, who then can help out by viewing real-time feeds from the vehicle’s exterior cameras.
                  https://futurism.com/advanced-transp...rs-philippines
                  "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
                  "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
                  - SeattleUte

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