Venezuela sin Chávez: The Nicolas Maduro Thread

[Copelius]

I think the National Guard fills that well regulated provision. Each governor has a national guard force that he/she is the commander-in-chief over. Each of these well regulated militias are a check against a federal army wielded unrighteously.

But what happens if the Governor's and President's orders conflict?

[Bo Diddley]

But what happens if the Governor's and President's orders conflict?

Whenever I have federal orders, it says "with consent of the governor..." The governor trumps the president, and the ranking officer in the state national guard is appointed by the governor.

[BlueK]

Whenever I have federal orders, it says "with consent of the governor..." The governor trumps the president, and the ranking officer in the state national guard is appointed by the governor.

I seem to remember when Trump wanted to send National Guard to the border several governors said not from their state, and that was it.

[frank ryan]

But what happens if the Governor's and President's orders conflict?

Whenever I have federal orders, it says "with consent of the governor..." The governor trumps the president, and the ranking officer in the state national guard is appointed by the governor.

I seem to remember when Trump wanted to send National Guard to the border several governors said not from their state, and that was it.

If the President "federalizes" the National Guard for a war or official national emergency, he can overrule a governor. Otherwise the governor can overrule him.

[Bo Diddley]

If the President "federalizes" the National Guard for a war or official national emergency, he can overrule a governor. Otherwise the governor can overrule him.

Federalization refers to Title 10 orders in support of contingency operations that have been authorized by Congress. I'm not positive what the President can do with respect to the National Guard without any specific congressional authority already in place. He can probably call us up for 60 days.

To go along with that, my Title 10 order when I went to Iraq did not have those same words "with the consent of the Governor of Utah", where my current Title 32 orders do say that.

If push comes to shove, it's a constitutional crisis no matter how you slice it.

[frank ryan]

There are also the existence of “state guards” which are under no federal control whatsoever. About half the states have them. Seems like they are there for disaster reasons and I’m not sure if they are armed although I suppose they could be if needed.

[Bo Diddley]

There are also the existence of “state guards” which are under no federal control whatsoever. About half the states have them. Seems like they are there for disaster reasons and I’m not sure if they are armed although I suppose they could be if needed.

Yeah, the one we had in Utah was a joke. It's an interesting concept, but I doubt that any state will spend the money to make them serviceable or even "well regulated", at least not in the near future. Perhaps if we moved away from the behemoth centralized government we have at the federal level things would change.

[Joe Public]

Federalization refers to Title 10 orders in support of contingency operations that have been authorized by Congress. I'm not positive what the President can do with respect to the National Guard without any specific congressional authority already in place. He can probably call us up for 60 days.

To go along with that, my Title 10 order when I went to Iraq did not have those same words "with the consent of the Governor of Utah", where my current Title 32 orders do say that.

If push comes to shove, it's a constitutional crisis no matter how you slice it.

Yes. It's a matter of Title 10 status vs. Title 32 status vs. state status.

[Uncle Ted]

MSNBC Admits: Because Venezuelans Were Disarmed, They Have No Power Against the Government
[...]
While watching the video of innocents being mowed down, MSNBC reporter Kerry Sanders admitted that because everyday Venezuelan citizens are not allowed to own firearms, they're defenseless against the government. The Washington Free Beacon pulled the clip.

"You have to understand, in Venezuela gun ownership is not something that's open to everybody. So if the military have the guns, they have the power and as long as Nicolás Maduro controls the military, he controls the country," Sanders said, watching in horror.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2019/05/01/msnbc-admits-because-venezuelans-were-disarmed-they-have-no-power-against-the-government-n2545639

I am so glad we don't have worry about this in our country... We might as well just turn in all our guns because we can trust that Drumpf would never do something like this to the people of this great country.

[Commando]

On the other hand, all those rednecks and mild-mannered citizens with guns could probably take on the U.S. military no problem if it ever got out of hand...

[Uncle Ted]

On the other hand, all those rednecks and mild-mannered citizens with guns could probably take on the U.S. military no problem if it ever got out of hand...

WOLVERINES!!!

[jieiks]

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[USUC]

So, I guess there is about to be a war in South America.

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[Pelado]

So, I guess there is about to be a war in South America.

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Great. Definitely need another war.

[Moliere]

Oil is going to destroy this planet, just not through climate change