The 2016 Presidential Election Trainwreck

[Jeff Lebowski]

Link to the CIA report?

lol.

Yes, because if Uncle Ted doesn't have a copy of the full intelligence briefing the CIA gave to the congressional leaders, then it can't be valid.

[frank ryan]

The Ruskies have never been friends although Obama said they were a threat any more... Now the Ruskies have taken Obama for a wimp and walked all over the USA.

That is one of my strongest criticisms of Obama, he was been weak and passive with Russia. He set a climate that invited Russia to do this shit.

Link to the CIA report?

I'm sure they will declassify everything and reveal sources and methods just for your benefit.

[Uncle Ted]

lol.

Yes, because if Uncle Ted doesn't have a copy of the full intelligence briefing the CIA gave to the congressional leaders, then it can't be valid.

CIA is the business lying so a report from them wouldn't mean shit anyway.

[Walter Sobchak]

Have you ever thought that there are a lot of genuine concerns that come attached to Trump that justify outrage?

There are two sides to that coin. Have you ever thought that there are actually some things Trump does that don't justify outrage?

[Uncle Ted]

Looks like the Ruskies got to the voting machines in Michigan...

Records: Too many votes in 37% of Detroit’s precincts

Voting machines in more than one-third of all Detroit precincts registered more votes than they should have during last month’s presidential election, according to Wayne County records prepared at the request of The Detroit News.


Detailed reports from the office of Wayne County Clerk Cathy Garrett show optical scanners at 248 of the city’s 662 precincts, or 37 percent, tabulated more ballots than the number of voters tallied by workers in the poll books. Voting irregularities in Detroit have spurred plans for an audit by Michigan Secretary of State Ruth Johnson’s office, Elections Director Chris Thomas said Monday.

The Detroit precincts are among those that couldn’t be counted during a statewide presidential recount that began last week and ended Friday following a decision by the Michigan Supreme Court.


Democrat Hillary Clinton overwhelmingly prevailed in Detroit and Wayne County. But Republican President-elect Donald Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes or 47.5 percent to 47.3 percent
[...]

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/new...ncts/95363314/

[byu71]

Have you ever thought that there are a lot of genuine concerns that come attached to Trump that justify outrage? He refuses intel briefing because he is "smart." You know I like you, so I'm not being insincere when I say this: I get the impression from your posts that you expect all criticism of Trump to be manufactured or exaggerated before examining it.

I have genuine concerns and have expressed them. IMHO, there are those on the board that remind me of Hannity. Everything Pres. Obama did was bad. That is why I stopped watching him. Not that I was a Pres. Obama fan, but I know everything he did or said wasn't bad.

Hate on Trump all you want and yes worry all you want about him. Just because someone doesn't agree doesn't mean they are a Trump lover.

Also, saying Rick Perry is stupid. Really a guy is govenor of Texas for 14-15 years and he is stupid?

[Uncle Ted]

That is one of my strongest criticisms of Obama, he was been weak and passive with Russia. He set a climate that invited Russia to do this shit.

I'm sure they will declassify everything and reveal sources and methods just for your benefit.

I am guessing that the CIA won't declassify anything.

[Walter Sobchak]

That is one of my strongest criticisms of Obama, he was been weak and passive with Russia. He set a climate that invited Russia to do this shit.

Do what "shit" exactly? Exposing Clinton's corruption?

[Jeff Lebowski]

CIA is the business lying so a report from them wouldn't mean shit anyway.

Thanks for this post. It gives me an example to bust out our latest new smiley!

:foilhat:

[creekster]

SO the CIA may be able to suggest that Russians hacked the DNC and the RNC but after that it gets a little unclear. Was it actually the government? What was the purpose? There is a big chasm between the fact of the hack and the analysis of what it means, why it was done and who ordered it to happen.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...KBN14204E?il=0

Here's what bothers me: by emphasizing the Russian involvement, the Obama administration is promoting a narrative that once again will heighten animosities and divisions in the electorate rather than close or lower them. Like it or not, and more than half of the voters don't like it, Trump is going ot be president. Rather than rally 'round the flag, as has always been down in the past (the bushes, clinton, reagan, carter, ford, etc. etc. all did this) the current administration seems to be pushing hard to foment discord and leave a nation greatly divided. Trump may be a disaster. There is every bit of potential for him to be as bad as he seems like he could be, but that doesn't mean we need to make it even worse for us and our system by promoting the idea thta the election result itself was fraudulent. Indeed, as we discuss the undermining of the system, promoting the idea that the election was a fraud and the result achieved only through outside interference does more to undermine the integrity of our nation and its system than anything Trump has yet done. So the Cia should tread very, very carefully here. And Obama should STFU and let things move forward.

[creekster]

Do what "shit" exactly? Exposing Clinton's corruption?

This is a good point. THe fact is that the revelaed information was all accurate. There is no evidence, AFAIK, that these disclosed emails were anything but accurate. It might be, and likely is, that the RNC is as bad. but there is no question that Clinton was corrupt and that the DNC was a pox on the democratic system.

[old_gregg]

SO the CIA may be able to suggest that Russians hacked the DNC and the RNC but after that it gets a little unclear. Was it actually the government? What was the purpose? There is a big chasm between the fact of the hack and the analysis of what it means, why it was done and who ordered it to happen.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...KBN14204E?il=0

Here's what bothers me: by emphasizing the Russian involvement, the Obama administration is promoting a narrative that once again will heighten animosities and divisions in the electorate rather than close or lower them. Like it or not, and more than half of the voters don't like it, Trump is going ot be president. Rather than rally 'round the flag, as has always been down in the past (the bushes, clinton, reagan, carter, ford, etc. etc. all did this) the current administration seems to be pushing hard to foment discord and leave a nation greatly divided. Trump may be a disaster. There is every bit of potential for him to be as bad as he seems like he could be, but that doesn't mean we need to make it even worse for us and our system by promoting the idea thta the election result itself was fraudulent. Indeed, as we discuss the undermining of the system, promoting the idea that the election was a fraud and the result achieved only through outside interference does more to undermine the integrity of our nation and its system than anything Trump has yet done. So the Cia should tread very, very carefully here. And Obama should STFU and let things move forward.

anybody know how to say bygones in russian?

[Jeff Lebowski]

SO the CIA may be able to suggest that Russians hacked the DNC and the RNC but after that it gets a little unclear. Was it actually the government? What was the purpose? There is a big chasm between the fact of the hack and the analysis of what it means, why it was done and who ordered it to happen.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...KBN14204E?il=0

Here's what bothers me: by emphasizing the Russian involvement, the Obama administration is promoting a narrative that once again will heighten animosities and divisions in the electorate rather than close or lower them. Like it or not, and more than half of the voters don't like it, Trump is going ot be president. Rather than rally 'round the flag, as has always been down in the past (the bushes, clinton, reagan, carter, ford, etc. etc. all did this) the current administration seems to be pushing hard to foment discord and leave a nation greatly divided. Trump may be a disaster. There is every bit of potential for him to be as bad as he seems like he could be, but that doesn't mean we need to make it even worse for us and our system by promoting the idea thta the election result itself was fraudulent. Indeed, as we discuss the undermining of the system, promoting the idea that the election was a fraud and the result achieved only through outside interference does more to undermine the integrity of our nation and its system than anything Trump has yet done. So the Cia should tread very, very carefully here. And Obama should STFU and let things move forward.

Wait a minute. Yesterday everyone here was clamoring that Obama should be leading the charge. Now he should step back and STFU?

This is all so confusing.

[myboynoah]

SO the CIA may be able to suggest that Russians hacked the DNC and the RNC but after that it gets a little unclear. Was it actually the government? What was the purpose? There is a big chasm between the fact of the hack and the analysis of what it means, why it was done and who ordered it to happen.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...KBN14204E?il=0

Here's what bothers me: by emphasizing the Russian involvement, the Obama administration is promoting a narrative that once again will heighten animosities and divisions in the electorate rather than close or lower them. Like it or not, and more than half of the voters don't like it, Trump is going ot be president. Rather than rally 'round the flag, as has always been down in the past (the bushes, clinton, reagan, carter, ford, etc. etc. all did this) the current administration seems to be pushing hard to foment discord and leave a nation greatly divided. Trump may be a disaster. There is every bit of potential for him to be as bad as he seems like he could be, but that doesn't mean we need to make it even worse for us and our system by promoting the idea thta the election result itself was fraudulent. Indeed, as we discuss the undermining of the system, promoting the idea that the election was a fraud and the result achieved only through outside interference does more to undermine the integrity of our nation and its system than anything Trump has yet done. So the Cia should tread very, very carefully here. And Obama should STFU and let things move forward.

Yeah, having a look at that report and the source reporting would be interesting and clarify a lot (or maybe nothing). I thought I read that the FBI does not agree, but I'm not sure with what exactly.

Is it the Obama team that is putting this out, or staffers in the senate or house?

[Applejack]

I have genuine concerns and have expressed them. IMHO, there are those on the board that remind me of Hannity. Everything Pres. Obama did was bad. That is why I stopped watching him. Not that I was a Pres. Obama fan, but I know everything he did or said wasn't bad.

Hate on Trump all you want and yes worry all you want about him. Just because someone doesn't agree doesn't mean they are a Trump lover.

Also, saying Rick Perry is stupid. Really a guy is govenor of Texas for 14-15 years and he is stupid?

Being a governor qualifies a person as smart? I thought you were the guy who railed against lifetime politicians as inept; now it is proof of a high IQ?

I'm really confused by Trump's world.