The 2016 Presidential Election Trainwreck

[frank ryan]

The NSA thinks the Russians interfered the election. http://m.motherjones.com/politics/20...-2016-campaign

I can't help but think if the parties were reserved, most on this board would be up in arms. It's a far bigger scandal than Hillary's fucking email scandal, but then again people on here haven't talked about Trump settling a fraud lawsuit for 20 million dollars.

[myboynoah]

but then again people on here haven't talked about Trump settling a fraud lawsuit for 20 million dollars.

For the good of the country, Frank. He settled for the good of the country.

[Moliere]

The NSA thinks the Russians interfered the election. http://m.motherjones.com/politics/20...-2016-campaign

I can't help but think if the parties were reserved, most on this board would be up in arms. It's a far bigger scandal than Hillary's fucking email scandal, but then again people on here haven't talked about Trump settling a fraud lawsuit for 20 million dollars.

Settling the lawsuits was a good move on his part. No sense in distracting the American people with a long and drawn out court case. Plus now, he won't be found guilty. Trump is a horrible person and the fact he was being sued over Trump University is really bad for him. It's pretty clear it was at best a misleading business idea and at worst a full on scam.

I disagree on Hillarys emails though. I find not only her horrible decision to use the server really bad judgment, but her continued reluctance to admit it was a mistake and take responsibility for it to show her complete disregard for law and ethics. She has her own rules, just like the other political elites in both parties.


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[YOhio]

The NSA thinks the Russians interfered the election. http://m.motherjones.com/politics/20...-2016-campaign

I can't help but think if the parties were reserved, most on this board would be up in arms. It's a far bigger scandal than Hillary's fucking email scandal, but then again people on here haven't talked about Trump settling a fraud lawsuit for 20 million dollars.

Good grief, frank. Trump has caused you to become so self-righteous. Nobody here likes the guy, but you're acting like this is some kind of Trump fanboi club if we go an hour without registering objection to whatever dipshit thing he did.

Of course it's infuriating that wikileaks did what they did and any foreign interference in U.S. elections needs to be investigated and, if necessary, a response needs to be sent. But unless there was coordination with Russia/Wiki and someone in Trump's camp it's simply not a scandal. It's a foreign government using propaganda, cyber warfare and all other tools at their disposal to help themselves and harm a geopolitical rival.

[frank ryan]

Good grief, frank. Trump has caused you to become so self-righteous. Nobody here likes the guy, but you're acting like this is some kind of Trump fanboi club if we go an hour without registering objection to whatever dipshit thing he did.

Of course it's infuriating that wikileaks did what they did and any foreign interference in U.S. elections needs to be investigated and, if necessary, a response needs to be sent. But unless there was coordination with Russia/Wiki and someone in Trump's camp it's simply not a scandal. It's a foreign government using propaganda, cyber warfare and all other tools at their disposal to help themselves and harm a geopolitical rival.

Good grief, yourself. I don't think I'm wrong.

[Non Sequitur]

Good grief, yourself. I don't think I'm wrong.

I'm with you, and I wouldn't be shocked if Trump were complicit. Call me a conspiracy nut, but I have no doubt that Trump would sell out the country in exchange for power. The man is not right.

[Walter Sobchak]

The NSA thinks the Russians interfered the election. http://m.motherjones.com/politics/20...-2016-campaign

I can't help but think if the parties were reserved, most on this board would be up in arms. It's a far bigger scandal than Hillary's fucking email scandal, but then again people on here haven't talked about Trump settling a fraud lawsuit for 20 million dollars.

That is one of the looniest articles I've read in a long time... well done Frank!

If the FBI, CIA, and other intelligence agencies are digging into the Russian effort to affect US politics, there is no guarantee that what they uncover will be shared with the public.

Except that the FBI already disclosed its findings:

For much of the summer, the F.B.I. pursued a widening investigation into a Russian role in the American presidential campaign. Agents scrutinized advisers close to Donald J. Trump, looked for financial connections with Russian financial figures, searched for those involved in hacking the computers of Democrats, and even chased a lead — which they ultimately came to doubt — about a possible secret channel of email communication from the Trump Organization to a Russian bank.

Law enforcement officials say that none of the investigations so far have found any conclusive or direct link between Mr. Trump and the Russian government. And even the hacking into Democratic emails, F.B.I. and intelligence officials now believe, was aimed at disrupting the presidential election rather than electing Mr. Trump.

[...]

Intelligence officials have said in interviews over the last six weeks that apparent connections between some of Mr. Trump’s aides and Moscow originally compelled them to open a broad investigation into possible links between the Russian government and the Republican presidential candidate. Still, they have said that Mr. Trump himself has not become a target. And no evidence has emerged that would link him or anyone else in his business or political circle directly to Russia’s election operations.

[...]

The most serious part of the F.B.I.’s investigation has focused on the computer hacks that the Obama administration now formally blames on Russia. That investigation also involves numerous officials from the intelligence agencies. Investigators, the officials said, have become increasingly confident, based on the evidence they have uncovered, that Russia’s direct goal is not to support the election of Mr. Trump, as many Democrats have asserted, but rather to disrupt the integrity of the political system and undermine America’s standing in the world more broadly.

YO hit the nail on the head (see above).


Mother Jones article continues:

Several House Democrats, led by Rep. Elijah Cummings, the ranking Democrat on the House Oversight Committee, have urged the FBI to investigate links between Trump's team and Russia, and Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid has done the same. According to various news reports, Russia-related probes have been started by the FBI targeting Americans associated with the Trump campaign.

So, instead of going after terrorists, or ordinary criminals, for months the FBI (at the behest of Democratic Party leaders) has been chasing down rabbit holes looking for Trump’s alleged links to the nonexistent Kremlin/Putin Conspiracy. Have we returned to the days of J. Edgar Hoover, when people were investigated and harassed for their political views at the instigation of their ideological opponents?

Oh, BTW... the FBI was too "overburdened and undermanned" to keep Omar Mateen on their radar. I wonder why.

[frank ryan]

That is one of the looniest articles I've read in a long time... well done Frank!



Except that the FBI already disclosed its findings:



YO hit the nail on the head (see above).


Mother Jones article continues:



So, instead of going after terrorists, or ordinary criminals, for months the FBI (at the behest of Democratic Party leaders) has been chasing down rabbit holes looking for Trump’s alleged links to the nonexistent Kremlin/Putin Conspiracy. Have we returned to the days of J. Edgar Hoover, when people were investigated and harassed for their political views at the instigation of their ideological opponents?

Oh, BTW... the FBI was too "overburdened and undermanned" to keep Omar Mateen on their radar. I wonder why.

No need to be a dick.

[YOhio]

No need to be a dick.

It's not like he said that most on this board are cool with Russian interference in an election because it helps a Republican. Now that would be a dick thing to say.

[frank ryan]

It's not like he said that most on this board are cool with Russian interference in an election because it helps a Republican. Now that would be a dick thing to say.

I never said "cool with it." It's more like apathetic. And the apathy is what's so frustrating.

[CardiacCoug]

http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/458527...-who-voted-for

I can see no reason why Mormondom should not read a vote for such a man as a willful affiliation with an individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the church. I can see no reason that it should not read a vote for such a man as sympathizing with the precepts of such a man.

[myboynoah]

http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/458527...-who-voted-for

He has a pretty healthy view of himself.

What I write here is not another lamentation over a lost election. My purpose here is to draw attention to the identity of Mormonism. The fact that my proposal that Trump-voting Mormons lose their temple recommends will be laughed off as ridiculous — or probably vilified as another reason that I should lose my temple recommend — reveals just how narrowly sectarian Mormonism has become.

Who really cares what he thinks about this topic? Who should care?

[creekster]

http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/458527...-who-voted-for

I can only assume you post without comment becasue you find his thinking as loony as I do.

[CardiacCoug]

I can only assume you post without comment becasue you find his thinking as loony as I do.

Yeah but it's an interesting example of how a person really doesn't understand what's happening in the LDS Church if he doesn't understand LDS Church history.

That TR question clearly relates to polygamist splinter groups. If a person knows Church history when he hears that question he thinks to himself as he answers "Hell no I'm not a secret polygamist."

But if somebody just analyzes the wording of the question outside of its historical context then sure it would be easy for people to wonder if a vote for Trump (or Clinton?) is applicable.

[myboynoah]

Yeah but it's an interesting example of how a person really doesn't understand what's happening in the LDS Church if he doesn't understand LDS Church history.

That TR question clearly relates to polygamist splinter groups. If a person knows Church history when he hears that question he thinks to himself as he answers "Hell no I'm not a secret polygamist."

But if somebody just analyzes the wording of the question outside of its historical context then sure it would be easy for people to wonder if a vote for Trump (or Clinton?) is applicable.

Or any support of any political movement worldwide.