The 2016 Presidential Election Trainwreck

[byu71]

We want both Trump and Hillary to lose. Duh.

So you think there is a chance the Independent would win? That would be awesome and quite an accomplishment. None of these conservatives could win the primary, but they could win the general. There is nothing wrong with dreaming.

[Jeff Lebowski]

So you think there is a chance the Independent would win? That would be awesome and quite an accomplishment. None of these conservatives could win the primary, but they could win the general. There is nothing wrong with dreaming.

No, I seriously doubt it. But the alternatives are so dire that it seems worth a shot.

[byu71]

No, I seriously doubt it. But the alternatives are so dire that it seems worth a shot.

Agree, the alternatives are that dire and I wonder what has brought us to the point we have two candidates like this. Although I think Obama's policies are horrible and he has been a terrible President, I don't consider him a person I wouldn't play golf with. I would pass on the opportunity to play with Hillary or Trump.

[Shaka]

So you think there is a chance the Independent would win? That would be awesome and quite an accomplishment. None of these conservatives could win the primary, but they could win the general. There is nothing wrong with dreaming.

I think there's enough dissatisfaction in both parties that the right independent would stand a chance. Personally I think Mitt is the best guy to bridge that gap. 22% without even being a candidate is nothing to sneeze at. With that said I wish he'd either get in or shut up about Trump.

[byu71]

I think there's enough dissatisfaction in both parties that the right independent would stand a chance. Personally I think Mitt is the best guy to bridge that gap. 22% without even being a candidate is nothing to sneeze at. With that said I wish he'd either get in or shut up about Trump.

I didn't know he was polling that high. If true he could get on the debate stage with Trump and Hillary and that would be fun. I also agree with you, get in or shut up.

[Applejack]

Agree, the alternatives are that dire and I wonder what has brought us to the point we have two candidates like this.

Not heeding to the words of the prophet.

[Eddie]

We intervened militarily in Europe after Hitler declared war on us a few days after pearl harbor, as a result of a secret pact he had made with the Japanese.

That all depends on your definition of "intervening". Sure, the US wasn't officially in the war. But giving piles of military hardware and supplies to the Allies getting back a bunch of IOU's and a wink, wink, nod, nod, in return isn't really non-intervention in my book.

That aside - I agree with you. WWII was a no-brainer as far as US intervention. While jumping in sooner may have slowed the Germans initially, I tend to believe that gearing up the factories and production capacity prior to sending soldiers really built a tidal wave when the US did enter.

So you think there is a chance the Independent would win? That would be awesome and quite an accomplishment. None of these conservatives could win the primary, but they could win the general. There is nothing wrong with dreaming.

There is no way an independent wins. But not voting for either of the 2 big parties hopefully gets them to recognize that they are doing something wrong and gets them looking for ways to right it. Hopefully it gets them looking at not just candidates, but party positions that are holding them back.

Honestly - I think the republican party is done. They are trying to create an amalgam of cooperation among religious zealots, constitutionalists, and basic conservative folks. The problem is that at least 2 of those groups tend to be single issue voters without the capacity to compromise.

Which is really what the Democrats have going for them. They tend to have multiple groups that may have a primary focus as far as issues that are important to them, but they are able to look beyond that, compromise, and come together recognizing that doing so gets them closer to what they want than the results they would get if they didn't.

[Maximus]

So you think there is a chance the Independent would win? That would be awesome and quite an accomplishment. None of these conservatives could win the primary, but they could win the general. There is nothing wrong with dreaming.

win as win enough that the other 2 dont win? remote chance but a chance

[creekster]

As far as Bill Crystal goes, I think I remember disliking him when he kept dissing Romney during Romney's primary run. He (Crystal) reminds me of Erik Erickson and that isn't a compliment

You must admit, though, he was pretty funny in city slickers

[beefytee]

I agree that a 3rd pay run has little chance of wining, but then again I gave trump zero chance at getting the nomination, so who knows?

As far as Gary Johnson's comments... Who cares? Every candidate for president makes dumb comments when their words are under scrutiny 24/7. He is still by far the most qualified of any current candidate.

[byu71]

You must admit, though, he was pretty funny in city slickers

It really isn't that I am uneducated, I just don't care enough about him to get his name spelled correctly. Plus it gives you witty fellows a chance to show off.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

I think there's enough dissatisfaction in both parties that the right independent would stand a chance. Personally I think Mitt is the best guy to bridge that gap. 22% without even being a candidate is nothing to sneeze at. With that said I wish he'd either get in or shut up about Trump.

The dissatisfaction is so high that Trump has something like 2.5 million more votes than Romney got in the 2012 primary. Romney is robotic and boring, he'd likely be an above average president, but the last boring guy people voted for was HW Bush who was glowing in Regan afterglow and running against an awful opponent.

[Maximus]

The dissatisfaction is so high that Trump has something like 2.5 million more votes than Romney got in the 2012 primary. Romney is robotic and boring, he'd likely be an above average president, but the last boring guy people voted for was HW Bush who was glowing in Regan afterglow and running against an awful opponent.

youre really pretending dissatisfaction isnt high? are you even attempting to actual analyze the real world?

[YOhio]

The dissatisfaction is so high that Trump has something like 2.5 million more votes than Romney got in the 2012 primary. Romney is robotic and boring, he'd likely be an above average president, but the last boring guy people voted for was HW Bush who was glowing in Regan afterglow and running against an awful opponent.

You think Romney would only be an above average President? Time to check yourself. If the average only included George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abe Lincoln, and Ronald Reagan then maybe you have a point.

[YOhio]

Also, know who else was boring? Mahatma Gandhi.