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  • Originally posted by pelagius View Post
    Apparently you should be her massage gift certificates:

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...among-patients
    Thank you!
    Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

    For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

    Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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    • http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...-werent-white/

      What A 19th Century Campaign To Declare Mormons ‘Non-White’ Tells Us About Modern Islamophobia



      I've decided the best historical parallel is Trump = Lilburn Boggs.

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      • Originally posted by pelagius View Post
        http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...-werent-white/

        What A 19th Century Campaign To Declare Mormons ‘Non-White’ Tells Us About Modern Islamophobia



        I've decided the best historical parallel is Trump = Lilburn Boggs.
        How soon we forget.

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        • Originally posted by USUC View Post
          We have a study subject at work from the South. He went to a prestigious university and has a successful career. He is also voting for Trump. He basically thinks Trump is a joke and wouldn't be surprised to see Trump in jail at some point if he is elected president. But he also views Trump as the quickest way of bringing down the current system. He thinks that Trump, a common enemy, will engender cooperation between the two parties. He said only a small percentage of Trump voters actually think Trump is great, most just want the system burned down.
          That is too radical a position for me. Change will result but it might catastrophic rather than reformatory. I do think most Trump supporters like him. Don't underestimate the hordes of white trash people who have rallied around him.

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          • Originally posted by pelagius View Post
            http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...-werent-white/

            What A 19th Century Campaign To Declare Mormons ‘Non-White’ Tells Us About Modern Islamophobia



            I've decided the best historical parallel is Trump = Lilburn Boggs.
            That was an interesting article. Thanks for posting it.
            "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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            • Apologies if this has already been posted, but McKay Coppins with a nice article on why Mormons don't like Trump.

              http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins...why#.judDoN32q
              "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
              "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
              "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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              • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                Apologies if this has already been posted, but McKay Coppins with a nice article on why Mormons don't like Trump.

                http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins...why#.judDoN32q
                And demographically speaking, Mormons tend to reside outside Trump’s base of support anyway. They have higher-than-average education levels, whereas Trump does best among voters without any college education; they are more likely to be weekly churchgoers, while Trump performs better with Christians who attend services infrequently.
                lol at Trump and his irreligious illiterates.
                Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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                • Originally posted by myboynoah View Post
                  lol at Trump and his irreligious illiterates.
                  But this is a big part of the pickle that the GOP finds itself in. White voters without any college attendance have shifted pretty hard in the last 30 years to republicans. This is a model from Nate Cohn (at the NY Times) explaining county level changes in percent of the vote that was democrat between 84 -> 12 using some demographic variables of the counties as of 84:



                  Look at whitenohs (whites with no high school degree); counties that had lots of whites with no high school degrees shifted hard toward the GOP since 84. The Intercept is whites with high school degrees; counties with lots of just high school degree whites shifted significantly toward the GOP too. Part of the story of Trump is that he realized low education whites were now an important part of the GOP and he could build a coalition around them; he has been very successful at convincing them. Obviously, low education whites aren't the whole 35-40% that Trump usually gets, but it is the biggest component of the Trump coalition (and certainly the most reliable component).
                  Last edited by pelagius; 03-21-2016, 03:21 AM.

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                  • http://nypost.com/2016/03/20/will-hi...arged-or-what/

                    FBI chief James Comey and his investigators are increasingly certain that presidential nominee Hillary Clinton violated laws in handling classified government information through her private email server, career agents say.

                    Some expect him to push for charges, but he faces a formidable obstacle: the political types in the Obama White House who view a Clinton presidency as a third Obama term.

                    With that, agents have been spreading the word, largely through associates in the private sector, that their boss is getting stonewalled, despite uncovering compelling evidence that Clinton broke the law.
                    Another matter for Comey & Co.: whether Clinton comingled her official State Department business with her role at the Clinton Foundation, and whether she wiped clean messages that show her using her office at State for foundation work.

                    Law enforcement sources also say Comey’s record as a prosecutor shows he has zero tolerance for such abuses.
                    This is all pretty vague. I'm wondering if an indictment would even stop Clinton at this point. Unless it is for something more serious than mishandling of classified information I don't see her supporters caring enough to abandon her and risk a Trump presidency.

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                    • Originally posted by Omaha 680 View Post
                      http://nypost.com/2016/03/20/will-hi...arged-or-what/





                      This is all pretty vague. I'm wondering if an indictment would even stop Clinton at this point. Unless it is for something more serious than mishandling of classified information I don't see her supporters caring enough to abandon her and risk a Trump presidency.
                      "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                      "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                      "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                      GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                      • Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post

                        "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                        "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                        "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                        • Originally posted by Omaha 680 View Post
                          http://nypost.com/2016/03/20/will-hi...arged-or-what/





                          This is all pretty vague. I'm wondering if an indictment would even stop Clinton at this point. Unless it is for something more serious than mishandling of classified information I don't see her supporters caring enough to abandon her and risk a Trump presidency.
                          It would be quite a hurdle for her. An indictment from the Obama DOJ? That's
                          A pretty big problem for a candidate who already is widely seen as dishonest and untrustworthy.
                          PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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                            • Originally posted by pelagius View Post
                              But this is a big part of the pickle that the GOP finds itself in. White voters without any college attendance have shifted pretty hard in the last 30 years to republicans. This is a model from Nate Cohn (at the NY Times) explaining county level changes in percent of the vote that was democrat between 84 -> 12 using some demographic variables of the counties as of 84:



                              Look at whitenohs (whites with no high school degree); counties that had lots of whites with no high school degrees shifted hard toward the GOP since 84. The Intercept is whites with high school degrees; counties with lots of just high school degree whites shifted significantly toward the GOP too. Part of the story of Trump is that he realized low education whites were now an important part of the GOP and he could build a coalition around them; he has been very successful at convincing them. Obviously, low education whites aren't the whole 35-40% that Trump usually gets, but it is the biggest component of the Trump coalition (and certainly the most reliable component).

                              It is a heck of a problem. If they kiss off the low educated whites they will never win. They will never get the vote of the low educated minorities.

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                              • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                                My son went and saw him in Kaysville Friday night. He's all on board now.

                                He said Kasich is basically telling them that he knows he won't get the needed delegates, but that he doesn't think anyone will. And at the convention, people will start to consider who has a chance to actually win the national election - which is where he'll be picked as the nominee.

                                As a side-note - no idea if it's a joke or not, but I ran across someone ranting about electing Trump to "make America great again". He followed that up with "Trump is going to deport all the non-Whites".

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