The 2016 Presidential Election Trainwreck

[byu71]

What part wasn't a "calculated lie"? Not the part about it being a spontaneous protest, right?


http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016...essure-n497496

We have all heard this one. They were receiving conflicting reports on who was attacking.

Even if that is true, why choose the tape story reason over the terrorist attack reason?

[imanihonjin]

lol. Uncle Ted with the smoking gun.

Lol at JL.....maybe you can go back to making Hitler/Trump comparisons and using logical fallacies to justify such ridiculousness.

[Jeff Lebowski]

so if the administration says it was because of a video, when they know it wasnt, it isnt a lie?

Could have been a communication issue. Fog of war, or something. Your point undermines your conspiracy theory. If they knew the intel was wrong, why perpetuate it when doing so would lead to the crap we see now? Occam's razor points to miscommunication.

Again, why does it matter that much?

[Jeff Lebowski]

Lol at JL.....maybe you can go back to making Hitler/Trump comparisons and using logical fallacies to justify such ridiculousness.

You can continue to chirp away, little fella, but I am ignoring you.

[Uncle Ted]

No it doesn't.

What difference does it make in the end? After reading the detailed minute-by-minute account, I fail to see why that particular aspect of the event is such a big deal.

If it didn't make a difference then why didn't they just tell the mother of Sean Smith what happen rather than continue the lie? In one of the recent debates Hillary said that Patricia Smith lied (i.e. "she was absolutely wrong.") Apparently it makes a difference to Hillary Clinton. If it doesn't make a difference then Hillary should just say that she was wrong rather than continue the lie.

[imanihonjin]

Could have been a communication issue. Fog of war, or something. Your point undermines your conspiracy theory. If they knew the intel was wrong, why perpetuate it when doing so would lead to the crap we see now? Occam's razor points to miscommunication.

Again, why does it matter that much?

What does Occam razor point to when Hilary tells her own daughter one cause on the day of the attack and a mother of one of the fallen seals something completely different a few days later?

[imanihonjin]

You can continue to chirp away, little fella, but I am ignoring you.

Dammit....NOOOOOOOOOOO!

I don't mind. Ignore away, while you look more and more ridiculous. I don't mind at all. I would probably ignore questions that I can't answer too.

[Sleeping in EQ]

Could have been a communication issue.

Absolutely.

[Uncle Ted]

Absolutely.

Hillary's communication with her daughter seems pretty clear to me. I don't see the communication issue. Was she having problems with her private server?

[byu71]

Absolutely.

C'mon. I have come to basically respect you guys on the left. Policy arguments are reasonable and good, but to support the lie that was perpetuated is just not consistent with the intelligence God blessed you folks with. You sound like politico or that other goofy site being quoted so much on here.

They knew it was a terrorist attack or cutting them some huge slack, they were confused. Then why go out everywhere with the video story if they weren't sure.

It would have been a major point for the republican candidate and they weren't thinking about Hillary's run years later.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Could have been a communication issue. Fog of war, or something. Your point undermines your conspiracy theory. If they knew the intel was wrong, why perpetuate it when doing so would lead to the crap we see now? Occam's razor points to miscommunication.

Again, why does it matter that much?

Why would they do it? Because the election was 7 weeks away and Obama was running on being a tough guy on foreign policy. That's Occam's razor, rather than believing they were all too stupid to think it was terrorism rather than a video with 50 hits.

How many times have we seen it play out that you weather the PR storm for a couple weeks through denials and deflection and then face the facts when people have already processed the event?

Simply put, there's no way Hillary Clinton still thought the video was the culprit when she told the parents of those killed that they were "going to get that SOB film maker" unless she and the national security people at the White House were colossly stupid.

Fog of war, my ass. Don't be a rube

[byu71]

Why would they do it? Because the election was 7 weeks away and Obama was running on being a tough guy on foreign policy. That's Occam's razor, rather than believing they were all too stupid to think it was terrorism rather than a video with 50 hits.

How many times have we seen it play out that you weather the PR storm for a couple weeks through denials and deflection and then face the facts when people have already processed the event?

Simply put, there's no way Hillary Clinton still thought the video was the culprit when she told the parents of those killed that they were "going to get that SOB film maker" unless she and the national security people at the White House were colossly stupid.

Fog of war, my ass. Don't be a rube

Please don't mention Fog. We will have to move right into a lecture on how climate change caused the Fog of War for the Obama administration and so the lie was the republicans fault.

[creekster]

Hillary's communication with her daughter seems pretty clear to me. I don't see the communication issue. Was she having problems with her private server?

The chinese probably re-wrote her email.

[Uncle Ted]

Does someone on here who thinks Bernie is a good "honest" guy want to tell me how the economy is "rigged". I actually googled the word to make sure I knew the exact meaning. Basically an unfair advantage.

Bernie didn't like the wall street bailout and believes that it is wall street's turn to bailout the little guy. That is why he is proposing the tax on trades.

What Bernie doesn't talk about is how much money we made off wall street by loaning the banks the money. He also doesn't talk about how much money we lost to the automobile industry with their bailout. We should have been listening to RMoney on that one.

[Uncle Ted]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/16/up...edia.html?_r=1

The NY Times says that Trump has received $1.9 billion of free media from the networks.

As an added bonus to this article, it's amusing to see how Bush spent $82 million on broadcast ads to get four delegates. Over $20 million a delegate. Somebody calculated how much Bush spent in Iowa vs. the number of votes he received and it worked out to something like $5,000 a vote. Lol.

And of course, he still didn't get the message and waited until after South Carolina.

Clinton is second with $746 million of free media. It is like the networks are picking the candidates.