The 2016 Presidential Election Trainwreck

[old_gregg]

I don't know Mr. Bannon from Frank Ryan, and only recently learned he was associated with Breitbart, a site sometimes linked on Drudge. Wanting a little, but not too much information on him, I asked Dr. Google, and discovered a Breitbart (no suprise) link discussing an interview with Harvard professor, Alan Dershowitz, where decries the complaint that Bannon is anti-Semitic.

http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2...gree-policies/

Most of the other articles vary based on the political bent. Those claiming Breitbart supports nationalist whites only argue Bannon is by association anti-Semitic. They don't cite, at least in my cursory perusal any evidence of him being personally anti-Semitic, but they are convinced in their heart of hearts that he is. The pro-Bannon, GOP oriented authors cite friendships and relationships which tend to undermine that allegation.

Have you done an extensive investigation to know which side is correct?

good lord.

[Topper]

good lord.

So you are intimately familiar with Mr. Bannon, his politics and whether he is anti-Semitic? I am not arguing in favor him as he may be everything that his detractors say he is. I figured some of you who have strong opinions for or against him would save me the trouble of making up my own mind so you can tell me how to groupthink.

[frank ryan]

I don't know Mr. Bannon from Frank Ryan, and only recently learned he was associated with Breitbart, a site sometimes linked on Drudge. Wanting a little, but not too much information on him, I asked Dr. Google, and discovered a Breitbart (no suprise) link discussing an interview with Harvard professor, Alan Dershowitz, where decries the complaint that Bannon is anti-Semitic.

http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2...gree-policies/

Most of the other articles vary based on the political bent. Those claiming Breitbart supports nationalist whites only argue Bannon is by association anti-Semitic. They don't cite, at least in my cursory perusal any evidence of him being personally anti-Semitic, but they are convinced in their heart of hearts that he is. The pro-Bannon, GOP oriented authors cite friendships and relationships which tend to undermine that allegation.

Have you done an extensive investigation to know which side is correct?

Yeah, I have investigated it, I was able to do that through reading. I don't care if Bannon has black, Jewish or gay friends. It doesn't make him less vile or bigoted. George Wallace got a greater percentage of the black vote but he was still a bigot. Of course, if he were alive today and governing, I'm sure you'd give him a pass as well.

[Topper]

Yeah, I have investigated it, I was able to do that through reading. I don't care if Bannon has black, Jewish or gay friends. It doesn't make him less vile or bigoted. George Wallace got a greater percentage of the black vote but he was still a bigot. Of course, if he were alive today and governing, I'm sure you'd give him a pass as well.

What specifically did you read that convinced you he is racist or anti-Semite? I prefer the executive summary to make my time more efficient.

I don't believe it is simply a question of having Jewish friends, but rather he has also stood for pro-Israel events and policies. Did he make some anti-Semitic remarks?

[old_gregg]

What specifically did you read that convinced you he is racist or anti-Semite? I prefer the executive summary to make my time more efficient.

I don't believe it is simply a question of having Jewish friends, but rather he has also stood for pro-Israel events and policies. Did he make some anti-Semitic remarks?

nobody is here to crowd source your googling, dipshit

[Topper]

nobody is here to crowd source your googling, dipshit

You forgot to add, "you are dumb." I just figured he had double checked sources and wanted to be part of your ever-enlightened groupthink. I would hate to not be part of the cluster groupthink. Naturally, I would prefer a meta-analysis of all peer reviewed studies and publications establishing a finding of anti-Semiticism, but in groupthink and hysteria analytics, I imagine that is too much to ask.

Here is one writer for a Jewish publication claiming Bannon is pro-Semitic.

http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/a...on/2016/11/15/

[frank ryan]

What specifically did you read that convinced you he is racist or anti-Semite? I prefer the executive summary to make my time more efficient.

I don't believe it is simply a question of having Jewish friends, but rather he has also stood for pro-Israel events and policies. Did he make some anti-Semitic remarks?

I'm not going to write you a position paper, complete w/bibliography.

[byu71]

you really think it is just liberal alarmism to call Bannon a bigot?

No I don't never considered you a liberal alarmist and I know you think he is a bigot.

My comment was CNN sill seems to be focused on associations and accusations. I would like to hear more about policies and what they will bring. I would like to hear the downside perceived

[Topper]

I'm not going to write you a position paper, complete w/bibliography.

I expected so much more of you. And here I thought you were a charitable soul.

[frank ryan]

You forgot to add, "you are dumb." I just figured he had double checked sources and wanted to be part of your ever-enlightened groupthink. I would hate to not be part of the cluster groupthink. Naturally, I would prefer a meta-analysis of all peer reviewed studies and publications establishing a finding of anti-Semiticism, but in groupthink and hysteria analytics, I imagine that is too much to ask.

Here is one writer for a Jewish publication claiming Bannon is pro-Semitic.

http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/a...on/2016/11/15/

He called Breitbart the platform for the alt right. Are you aware of what the alt right is?

Here is a white supremacist saying Bannon has their interests in mind. http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/14/politi...sts-on-bannon/

What is so hard about admitting that Trump picked a bigot? And for that matter, what is shocking?

[Topper]

He called Breitbart the platform for the alt right. Are you aware of what the alt right is?

Here is a white supremacist saying Bannon has their interests in mind. http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/14/politi...sts-on-bannon/

What is so hard about admitting that Trump picked a bigot? And for that matter, what is shocking?

I am not admitting nor denying anything, but unlike many of the hysterical ones, I am not taking the liberal elite's word for it, that he is automatically a racist or anti-Semite just because they say so. I have only recently heard the term alt right, i.e., during the latter parts of this campaign.

If I were advising him, which I am not, I would advise for a strong candidate for each of the important cabinet positions, and include as much diversity as he can find with positions he finds palatable. Trump marches to the beat of a different drummer. OTOH, it makes sense to judge each potential appointee on his or her own merits, not just what the opposition thinks of a candidate. But like you, I wouldn't want him to select somebody with obvious baggage, as he will already have problems governing due to his ignorance of the systems he will need to govern.

The "I hate Trump" group may make these next four years so combative as the Yom Kippur War whereas the last eight will appear to be Peace in Palestine.

I saw this explanation for what it is. Do you consider that accurate or inaccurate?

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/0...the-alt-right/

It does look like a nutty group though based upon even this read. In short, it is the radical right's response to identity politics. No wonder they appear to be mirror images of themselves.

[bluegoose]

Pro tip for the day: May want to consider going somewhere besides Breibart to look for objective information on Bannon.

[Moliere]

Pro tip for the day: May want to consider going somewhere besides Breibart to look for objective information on Bannon.

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[Topper]

Pro tip for the day: May want to consider going somewhere besides Breibart to look for objective information on Bannon.

Who is objective? Reading what even they post makes him out to be a weird dude. And btw, I had never heard of the 1488ers. Those individuals are disconcerting and worth fighting (the more I read the more I am surprised such people still exist). The white identity voters seem to be strange just like the ultra-weird identity voters on the left.

CNN, MSNBC, HuffPost?

It is hard to find neutral or even professional presentations about a politicized individual.

[frank ryan]

I am not admitting nor denying anything, but unlike many of the hysterical ones, I am not taking the liberal elite's word for it, that he is automatically a racist or anti-Semite just because they say so. I have only recently heard the term alt right, i.e., during the latter parts of this campaign.

If I were advising him, which I am not, I would advise for a strong candidate for each of the important cabinet positions, and include as much diversity as he can find with positions he finds palatable. Trump marches to the beat of a different drummer. OTOH, it makes sense to judge each potential appointee on his or her own merits, not just what the opposition thinks of a candidate. But like you, I wouldn't want him to select somebody with obvious baggage, as he will already have problems governing due to his ignorance of the systems he will need to govern.

The "I hate Trump" group may make these next four years so combative as the Yom Kippur War whereas the last eight will appear to be Peace in Palestine.

I saw this explanation for what it is. Do you consider that accurate or inaccurate?

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/0...the-alt-right/

It does look like a nutty group though based upon even this read. In short, it is the radical right's response to identity politics. No wonder they appear to be mirror images of themselves.

No one is being hysterical. You didn't know neo-nazis existed? Here is more accurate account of the alt right, from an individual who is one of the movement's more prominent voices. http://www.dailystormer.com/a-normie...the-alt-right/