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The problem is that the government and not the drivers are the customer. All large public construction projects are a complete mess. Trust me. I have professional experience with this.Originally posted by Nakoma View PostI agree with your general sentiment on the efficiency of the private sector over the public sector; however, most road construction projects are completed by private corporations who competitively bid for the opportunity to do the project. Next time you experience that bottleneck, look around for the construction vehicles and you'll likely find the name of the contractor(s) doing the job. Call that private contractor and complain about its inefficiency.When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
--Jonathan Swift
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I thought the same thing; not a chance Trump has ever read any of those books, not even in college (Cliffs Notes, maybe). He's too busy now to read them, with his favorite book the Bible, consuming his limited reading time.Originally posted by pelagius View PostYeah they are funny but the jokes are undermined a little with the massive suspension of disbelief: I'm not sure trump can read.
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The problem with all your examples is the government is the principal, so it's not really privatized.Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostPrivatized prisons are an absolute disaster. Everyone should watch the Kids for Cash documentary and see if you still think privatization is the solution to everything.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2925642/When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
--Jonathan Swift
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Holy cow. Another live one.Originally posted by SeattleUte View PostThe problem with all your examples is the government is the principal, so it's not really privatized.
OK, let's start with the Kids for Cash example. Judge is sending hundreds, maybe thousands of innocent kids to juvie because his buddy owns the new private facility and the judge gets a kickback. Your solution to this is to privatize the judge? Seriously? How would that even work?
And since land/space is a finite resource, building toll roads unavoidably involves seizing private land through eminent domain. How on earth do you remove the government from that equation?
You are in a libertarian fantasy land, my friend."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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Easy. Make him an offer he can't refuse.Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostAnd since land/space is a finite resource, building toll roads unavoidably involves seizing private land through eminent domain. How on earth do you remove the government from that equation?“Not the victory but the action. Not the goal but the game. In the deed the glory.”
"All things are measured against Nebraska." falafel
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I'm not suggesting judges be privatized. I'm not suggesting we eliminate government. I'm just saying that anything government does--albeit sometimes unavoidable--is not done as well or efficiently as people do things where they have heir own money and sweat at risk. What I'm saying is irrefutable. So, what lesson to implement do we draw from this? Use government as sparingly as possible.Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostHoly cow. Another live one.
OK, let's start with the Kids for Cash example. Judge is sending hundreds, maybe thousands of innocent kids to juvie because his buddy owns the new private facility and the judge gets a kickback. Your solution to this is to privatize the judge? Seriously? How would that even work?
And since land/space is a finite resource, building toll roads unavoidably involves seizing private land through eminent domain. How on earth do you remove the government from that equation?
You are in a libertarian fantasy land, my friend.
Of course you're completely oblivious to the irony that the kids for cash scandal couldn't have happened without a corrupt judge.When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
--Jonathan Swift
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Easy... Put the Judge and his buddy in a private facility as inmates and give the buddy's contract to a new bidder.Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostHoly cow. Another live one.
OK, let's start with the Kids for Cash example. Judge is sending hundreds, maybe thousands of innocent kids to juvie because his buddy owns the new private facility and the judge gets a kickback. Your solution to this is to privatize the judge? Seriously? How would that even work?
Was the warden in The Shawshank Redemption working for a private company or the government? Just because someone works for the government doesn't make them immune to corruption."If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
"Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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And you are completely oblivious to the fact that the cash scandal couldn't have happened without a private, for-profit penal facility.Originally posted by SeattleUte View PostI'm not suggesting judges be privatized. I'm not suggesting we eliminate government. I'm just saying that anything government does--albeit sometimes unavoidable--is not done as well or efficiently as people do things where they have heir own money and sweat at risk. What I'm saying is irrefutable. So, what lesson to implement do we draw from this? Use government as sparingly as possible.
Of course you're completely oblivious to the irony that the kids for cash scandal couldn't have happened without a corrupt judge.
What you are saying is indeed refutable, because you aren't really saying anything. You are bitching that government is the problem in a realm where it would be impossible to completely privatize (as you admit). Furthermore, the fact that a government agency is not run perfectly does not automatically mean that privatization would be an improvement."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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Uh .... dude. That was fiction. Great movie, though. One of my all-time favorites.Originally posted by Uncle Ted View PostEasy... Put the Judge and his buddy in a private facility as inmates and give the buddy's contract to a new bidder.
Was the warden in The Shawshank Redemption working for a private company or the government? Just because someone works for the government doesn't make them immune to corruption.
Nobody (especially me) ever claimed that government officials are immune to corruption. But the solution to corruption is not chronyism or privatization."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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Originally posted by myboynoah View Post
Nice Costa Rican flag with the full shield on it!"Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon
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Trump loses... skinheads riot. Trump wins... niggas riot. I'm guessing there is going to be a riot.
http://www.worldnewspolitics.com/201...der-threatens/Black Lives Matter Leader: Trump Wins…WE RIOT!!! Prominent Leader Threatens…
Today, a prominent Black Lives Matter activist made threats to incite a riot on Twitter.
“Dear white people if Trump wins young niggas such as myself are fully hell bent on inciting riots everywhere we go. Just so you know,” Tef Poe tweeted today.
Poe coined the phrase, “This ain’t your grandparents’ civil rights movement.”
Dear white people if Trump wins young niggas such as myself are fully hell bent on inciting riots everywhere we go. Just so you know.
— War Machine III (@TefPoe) March 16, 2016
Last edited by Uncle Ted; 03-17-2016, 07:37 PM."If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
"Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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wtf are you talking about. Nobody here is advocating "cronyism". By definition, that is only possible where government is in charge. You're not arguing here with your idiot right wing Mormon relatives. They've driven you to a new kind of dogma. As an American, you live in the lap of luxury, and everyone who put you in the position to put yourself here was an individual who did it by dint of their resourcefulness and nerve, whether you know it or not.Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostAnd you are completely oblivious to the fact that the cash scandal couldn't have happened without a private, for-profit penal facility.
What you are saying is indeed refutable, because you aren't really saying anything. You are bitching that government is the problem in a realm where it would be impossible to completely privatize (as you admit). Furthermore, the fact that a government agency is not run perfectly does not automatically mean that privatization would be an improvement.When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
--Jonathan Swift
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