Eat up, you godless Sodomites!

[SuperGabers]

Where the hell is Starbucks? I thought FOR SURE I'd see them somewhere on the left side.

[Pheidippides]

Yup, it is not surprising there are eight Whole Foods Markets in Dallas area.

And at least 14 Hooters. I'm sure you're proud.

[Uncle Ted]

And at least 14 Hooters. I'm sure you're proud.

Hooters' wings rock!

[lambdacoug]

Hooters' wings rock!

Hooters is for people that just can't quite make it to the local topless bar.

[Moliere]

I think we should make a list of places that discriminate against gays so those boycotting CFA can also know other places they need to avoid so as to not become hypocrites. Feel free to add to the list:

Chick-fil-a
Cracker Barrel
Jet Blue
Skywest
Marriott
Huntsman (pretty much any plastic product you buy)
Black and Decker
Dell
Pretty much any local business in Utah

[lambdacoug]

I think we should make a list of places that discriminate against gays so those boycotting CFA can also know other places they need to avoid so as to not become hypocrites. Feel free to add to the list:

Chick-fil-a
Cracker Barrel
Jet Blue
Skywest
Marriott
Huntsman (pretty much any plastic product you buy)
Black and Decker
Dell
Pretty much any local business in Utah

Thanks! This thread is now becoming a great resource for knowing which places to actively avoid. I do tend to patronize places that align more with what I think, but its just unrealistic to completely boycott things (read: I'm too lazy) on the other end of the spectrum.

[LA Ute]

I think we should make a list of places that discriminate against gays so those boycotting CFA can also know other places they need to avoid so as to not become hypocrites. Feel free to add to the list:

Chick-fil-a
Cracker Barrel
Jet Blue
Skywest
Marriott
Huntsman (pretty much any plastic product you buy)
Black and Decker
Dell
Pretty much any local business in Utah

You forgot Deseret Industries and City Creek Center.

[lambdacoug]

You forgot Deseret Industries and City Creek Center.

And Burger King, Bonneville Communication, Beneficial Life, etc...

[LA Ute]

Mollie Hemingway:

If it is true that believing marriage is the conjugal union of one man and one wife is bigoted, the equivalent to the most vile racists of the past centuries, then it makes sense to react in the way the reporter, the recently fired corporate executive and the lesbian passer-by did.

If the idea that marriage is the conjugal union of man and wife is bigotry -- and the mainstream media and the cultural elite have pounded this view non-stop for years (here's the latest example of the accompanying holier-than-thou pietism with which the view is pushed) -- then you should respond by tormenting drive-thru workers who are part of the bigotry-industrial complex. You should speak ill of people who hold this view on Facebook. Often! You should feel like eating a chicken sandwich was about people putting their boot on your chest.

The thing is, though, that it's not. And the media and the cultural elite have been lying. And they have gotten us to a place where people are unable to just be civil to each other (one Ricochet member mentioned he recently got kicked out of his fantasy football league for supporting Chick-fil-A).

When I first began covering this issue -- back when California was deciding Prop. 8 -- I was shocked to learn that what the media had told me was wrong. When I interviewed people who supported Prop. 8, I found that they were eminently calm and reasonable. Their arguments did take a while to learn, but they were able to be learned.*

These people explained why marriage law exists and what it is designed to protect. They explained why they viewed a change to those laws as seriously misguided. They pointed out some of the logical conclusions to changing the definition of marriage.

Now, you may agree or disagree with what they have to say (and to learn more about what they say, I think this paper is easy to read and digest), but it's not bigotry. And it is a scurrilous indefensible charge to say otherwise.

If our country is to work through these debates about what marriage is and what it should be, we simply must devote ourselves to listening to arguments and thinking things through. It is impossible to do that when we dismiss supporters of traditional marriage as bigots.

It is time to start talking about what marriage is without charging people with bigotry. Some people believe that marriage is the conjugal union of a man and woman who make permanent and exclusive commitment to each other, based on their gender differences and built around conjugal acts -- those acts that naturally lead to reproduction and unite them as a reproductive unit. Other people believe that marriage is the union of two* people of any sex who commit to romantically love and care for each other and share domestic burdens.

Marriage law built on either view will have consequences that are far-reaching. We probably haven't even touched the surface of what those consequences might be. And we will never be able to think these things through rationally and calmly if we denounce one or the other view as unfit for public discussion.

Many of us are tired of cultural battles. Unfortunately, tiring of them doesn't do much to help us resolve them. So when we discuss these things, and we must, let's discuss them in a spirit of love and charity. And let's encourage others to do likewise.

[Babs]

City Creek Center.

Is this the one with the removable roof? Guy at work was talking about some fabulous new mall with a river running through it and a retractable roof.

[LA Ute]

Is this the one with the removable roof? Guy at work was talking about some fabulous new mall with a river running through it and a retractable roof.

There's a looooong thread about the subject here. It arose during your leave of absence. There's just the slightest chance you will find the thread tedious, but you should give it a look.

[Babs]

There's a looooong thread about the subject here. It arose during your leave of absence. There's just the slightest chance you will find the thread tedious, but you should give it a look.

Oh, wow. I'm not sure I'm quite that interested in the topic. I was just surprised that anybody could be so enthusiastic about a shopping center.

[YOhio]

Oh, wow. I'm not sure I'm quite that interested in the topic. I was just surprised that anybody could be so enthusiastic about a shopping center.

The whole thread is filled with anticipation about all the shopping people are going to do and the deals they're going to get. The place has a freaking Tiffany's!

[LA Ute]

Oh, wow. I'm not sure I'm quite that interested in the topic. I was just surprised that anybody could be so enthusiastic about a shopping center.

It is (honestly) reassuring to me that you are not interested in the topic....

The whole thread is filled with anticipation about all the shopping people are going to do and the deals they're going to get. The place has a freaking Tiffany's!

Not to mention an Allen Edmonds.

[Babs]

The whole thread is filled with anticipation about all the shopping people are going to do and the deals they're going to get. The place has a freaking Tiffany's!

That's good. Most malls forget to provide anywhere for shoppers to eat breakfast.