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[I.J. Reilly]

Does anyone still defend Obamacare other than the ultra dyed in the wool Dems? Many people predicted it would be a disaster and it's pretty much been exactly that. Maybe if the GOP didn't predict that everything the Dems did would be a failure then people would believe them the few times their prediction had merit.


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Obamacare may be a disaster for you but for the millions of people who didn't have insurance but now do, I would imagine it has been a welcomed blessing. Did/does it have faults? Sure. But the situation before was unsustainable. Republicans should realize their fault in all of this. They could have made it better at the outset. They could have fixed parts after it had been enacted. They refused to do this for political reasons and now continue to refuse to recognize reality. We aren't going to go back to where we were, nor should we.

[snowcat]

I just renewed my company's health insurance for the year. Our new rates were rising by 40% this year. We had to drop from a gold plan to a silver plan. Thanks Affordable Care Act!

[Moliere]

Obamacare may be a disaster for you but for the millions of people who didn't have insurance but now do, I would imagine it has been a welcomed blessing. Did/does it have faults? Sure. But the situation before was unsustainable. Republicans should realize their fault in all of this. They could have made it better at the outset. They could have fixed parts after it had been enacted. They refused to do this for political reasons and now continue to refuse to recognize reality. We aren't going to go back to where we were, nor should we.

I was speaking to it being a disaster collectively. It hasn't impacted me at all. It's unsustainable and has unduly burdened the middle class through enormous jumps in premiums.


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[byu71]

Obamacare may be a disaster for you but for the millions of people who didn't have insurance but now do, I would imagine it has been a welcomed blessing. Did/does it have faults? Sure. But the situation before was unsustainable. Republicans should realize their fault in all of this. They could have made it better at the outset. They could have fixed parts after it had been enacted. They refused to do this for political reasons and now continue to refuse to recognize reality. We aren't going to go back to where we were, nor should we.

Interesting thought. Obamacare sucks because republicans could have made it better or fixed it later. Was there as window where Obama couldn't veto what the republicans fixed?

This may go for the Republicans too, but for sure the democrats consider compromise is when you agree with them.

We are helping a small percentage of Americans by charging the large percentage of Americans. I am not debating whether it is good that is being done.

My question though is where does it end? At what line do we say, Americans deserve at least this, so other Americans need to pay for it. When Hillary gets elected and we get a dem congress, I guess we will find out.

[Eddie]

Our premiums jumped initially, so we went to a high deductible plan to offset those increases. Now our premiums are back to what they were before the high deductible plan.

Initially I really liked the high deductible plan. We didn't need to go to the doctor much, annual checkups were free. NBD, right? The past 3 years someone in the family has needed surgery for one reason or the other, and the high deductible plan is now killing me. Never seriously thought about taking on a part-time job in the evening until now.

[Uncle Ted]

I'm so not looking forward to October when my company rolls out our new health benefits. I love, love, love paying 1000 a month for the worst possible coverage possible. I'm assuming when I sign up again, it'll be 1200 a month for even worse coverage! YAY!

Only $1200?...

Insurers that haven't pulled out of Obamacare are requesting premium hikes averaging 24 percent next year. And some states have it far worse. Many Georgians could see a hike of 65 percent. The 600,000 Texans enrolled in Blue Cross Blue Shield may face a 59 percent premium increase.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/17/aetna...ommentary.html

[Uncle Ted]

Interesting thought. Obamacare sucks because republicans could have made it better or fixed it later. Was there as window where Obama couldn't veto what the republicans fixed?

This may go for the Republicans too, but for sure the democrats consider compromise is when you agree with them.

We are helping a small percentage of Americans by charging the large percentage of Americans. I am not debating whether it is good that is being done.

My question though is where does it end? At what line do we say, Americans deserve at least this, so other Americans need to pay for it. When Hillary gets elected and we get a dem congress, I guess we will find out.

Can you say "Single Payer" and 90% tax rate for the rich? Of course, Hill and the dems will create a public option first to get us all warmed up to the idea.

[byu71]

I don't know how many people out there are in my situation, but I know a few.

I can get medi-care, but I don't. Instead I take the company plan. I pay extra because I prefer not to be on any kind of government plan. I just don't think they are that efficient.

However, as premiums keep going up even though I can pay them, it doesn't make sense when I can just go on medicare with much cheaper premiums. So even though as one person it isn't a big deal someone leaving the private system. The more that do though, premiums and deductibles will climb even higher.

[Uncle Ted]

I don't know how many people out there are in my situation, but I know a few.

I can get medi-care, but I don't. Instead I take the company plan. I pay extra because I prefer not to be on any kind of government plan. I just don't think they are that efficient.

However, as premiums keep going up even though I can pay them, it doesn't make sense when I can just go on medicare with much cheaper premiums. So even though as one person it isn't a big deal someone leaving the private system. The more that do though, premiums and deductibles will climb even higher.

I think if I qualified for medicare I would use it and find a supplement insurance. I would also get my damn social security check. If you paid for the sh*t you might as well use it.

[byu71]

Can you say "Single Payer" and 90% tax rate for the rich? Of course, Hill and the dems will create a public option first to get us all warmed up to the idea.

90% I love how the dems and the totally naive, inept and yes dishonest press (not all but many) are when it comes to these things.

If you think we have a lot of loopholes for the rich now, it is nothing compared to how the rich could shelter their money back when the rate was 90%.

It is about as dishonest and naive as telling people Warren Buffet pays more in taxes than his Secretary. The Secretary he is talking about makes $500,000 a year. The deception is when people hear this they think of the secretary making $40,000. Tell me that isn't dishonest. Buffet is a major letdown to me. I never thought of him as someone who would prey on the public and presses naiveness (sp).

[byu71]

I think if I qualified for medicare I would use it and find a supplement insurance. I would also get my damn social security check. If you paid for the sh*t you might as well use it.

Yes I paid for it. I once figured roughly what I would have if all the money I paid in had earned what the market did. At a 5% return on that money, I could get the same as SS is paying me and leave the capital to my heirs. Of course the dems hated Bush's idea of investing some SS money in the market.

Even at the rate SS earned, I won't use up what I put in until I turn 88. After that someone IS paying my way.

Again people who call SS an entitlement as a blanket statement are challenged when it comes to understanding Economics. I guess if one deserves to get back the money they loaned are entitled to get it back, then it could be called an entitlement.

[The_Douger]

Obamacare may be a disaster for you but for the millions of people who didn't have insurance but now do, I would imagine it has been a welcomed blessing. Did/does it have faults? Sure. But the situation before was unsustainable. Republicans should realize their fault in all of this. They could have made it better at the outset. They could have fixed parts after it had been enacted. They refused to do this for political reasons and now continue to refuse to recognize reality. We aren't going to go back to where we were, nor should we.

It's been a disaster for the middle class, and the complaints on this board are indicative of that.

Republicans should not be blamed, as the Democrats rammed the legislation down everyone's throats due to their advantage in numbers at the time.

It's anything but affordable for much of the middle class. I think it was designed to be a disaster so everyone would welcome a single payer system.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Obamacare may be a disaster for you but for the millions of people who didn't have insurance but now do, I would imagine it has been a welcomed blessing. Did/does it have faults? Sure. But the situation before was unsustainable. Republicans should realize their fault in all of this. They could have made it better at the outset. They could have fixed parts after it had been enacted. They refused to do this for political reasons and now continue to refuse to recognize reality. We aren't going to go back to where we were, nor should we.

Don't repeat the lie that the Republicans could have made it better. Obama and the Democrats had zero interest in getting any input from the GOP when this was passed. First of all, they all believed that the law would prove to be immensely popular once everyone saw what was in it, they didn't want to share the credit.

Since the law is a disaster they want to shift the blame to the Republicans because they didn't have any input on the terrible bill. It's pure revisionist bullshit. What became of Bob Bennett's and Ron Wyden's proposal, how much countenance did Obama give to that?

[Uncle Ted]

90% I love how the dems and the totally naive, inept and yes dishonest press (not all but many) are when it comes to these things.

If you think we have a lot of loopholes for the rich now, it is nothing compared to how the rich could shelter their money back when the rate was 90%.

It is about as dishonest and naive as telling people Warren Buffet pays more in taxes than his Secretary. The Secretary he is talking about makes $500,000 a year. The deception is when people hear this they think of the secretary making $40,000. Tell me that isn't dishonest. Buffet is a major letdown to me. I never thought of him as someone who would prey on the public and presses naiveness (sp).

I have been warming up to Warren Buffet lately... anyone that is a major stock owner of AAPL can't be all that bad.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

OK, so Obamacare was a failure... at least Obama closed Gitmo!

It is almost like you are saying campaign promises are bull shit. I mean not Trump's obv he's going to build a wall and stop refugees and make sweet love to Putin, but every other candidates campaign promises are just fantasies.