Obamacare cost...

[imanihonjin]

Some did. I think that's why Pelosi said Obamacare would allow people to escape their job.

Sorry, I was being sarcastic.

[All-American]

The CBO issues report on Obamacare and it isn't good.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015...port-says.html

That's great news for the Democrats. Obamacare will shrink the workforce by 1 million fewer jobs than was expected.

[Nakoma]

That's great news for the Democrats. Obamacare will shrink the workforce by 1 million fewer jobs than was expected.

We know our signature healthcare legislation is a job killer, but it's just not as bad a job killer as was earlier thought. Instead of killing 3 million jobs, it only kills 2 million jobs. Sounds like a winning message.

[il Padrino Ute]

Obamacare..to hell with Dear Leader and the Democrats who shoved this down our throats. I got notice earlier this month that the plan I was forced to buy is no longer acceptable to the feds. Looking at the plans that are acceptable, my premium will now increase by 20% and the deductible will increase by almost 75%. We're still required to pay for birth control, despite the fact that my wife hasn't had lady innards for 13+ years now, just so those mattress-backed, irresponsible millennial sluts can copulate to their lustful desire.

Fuck you Obama and all Democrats.

[old_gregg]

Obamacare..to hell with Dear Leader and the Democrats who shoved this down our throats. I got notice earlier this month that the plan I was forced to buy is no longer acceptable to the feds. Looking at the plans that are acceptable, my premium will now increase by 20% and the deductible will increase by almost 75%. We're still required to pay for birth control, despite the fact that my wife hasn't had lady innards for 13+ years now, just so those mattress-backed, irresponsible millennial sluts can copulate to their lustful desire.

Fuck you Obama and all Democrats.

you need to be committed

[old_gregg]

Obamacare..to hell with Dear Leader and the Democrats who shoved this down our throats. I got notice earlier this month that the plan I was forced to buy is no longer acceptable to the feds. Looking at the plans that are acceptable, my premium will now increase by 20% and the deductible will increase by almost 75%. We're still required to pay for birth control, despite the fact that my wife hasn't had lady innards for 13+ years now, just so those mattress-backed, irresponsible millennial sluts can copulate to their lustful desire.

Fuck you Obama and all Democrats.

ps i don't think you understand how insurance works

[wuapinmon]

My physician dropped a bomb on me yesterday. Starting January 4th, he's switching to a concierge medicine practice with a pay-once-a-year fee of $1500. My initial reaction was disbelief. Then, I studied the idea some, and he's basically been forced to do this as a sole practitioner of family medicine in my small town. What's more, it'll most likely be revenue neutral for him. He has over 3,000 patients, and he's dropping to 550, promising 24/7 access, house calls, hospital visits (within a 3 hour radius), email and cellphone direct access, and a free comprehensive annual physical--among other benefits. If I can spend my FSA money on it, I might do it. I've built a relationship with him over the last 8 years and I don't want to go to the 20-doctors-in-a-building "Medical Group, Inc." But, this is the fate of American medicine; physicians either go into specializations that pay well, or family medicine practitioners seem to move toward group practices. Lone wolves go the concierge route. About four years ago, he told me he was taking his first vacation in six years. He was chartering a plane to Little Corn Island, Nicaragua for three days to go SCUBA diving. I asked him, "Why not longer?" His sobering response, "People might die if I'm gone longer. So many of my patients are on Medicare and in their 80s and 90s, I feel like I can't hand them off for a week to someone who doesn't know their histories and what treatments Medicare will pay for."

I guess he's had enough.

[Uncle Ted]

Many See I.R.S. Penalties as More Affordable Than Insurance

Clint Murphy let the deadline for getting health insurance by the new year pass without a second thought.


Mr. Murphy, an engineer in Sulphur Springs, Tex., estimates that under the Affordable Care Act, he will face a penalty of $1,800 for going uninsured in 2016. But in his view, paying that penalty is worth it if he can avoid buying an insurance policy that costs $2,900 or more. All he has to do is stay healthy.


“I don’t see the logic behind that, and I’m just not going to do it,” said Mr. Murphy, 45, who became uninsured in April after leaving a job with health benefits to pursue contract work. “The fine is still going to be cheaper.”


Two years after the Affordable Care Act began requiring most Americans to have health insurance, 10.5 million who are eligible to buy coverage through the law’s new insurance exchanges were still uninsured this fall, according to the Obama administration.
[...]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/04/us...insurance.html

[Topper]

My physician dropped a bomb on me yesterday. Starting January 4th, he's switching to a concierge medicine practice with a pay-once-a-year fee of $1500. My initial reaction was disbelief. Then, I studied the idea some, and he's basically been forced to do this as a sole practitioner of family medicine in my small town. What's more, it'll most likely be revenue neutral for him. He has over 3,000 patients, and he's dropping to 550, promising 24/7 access, house calls, hospital visits (within a 3 hour radius), email and cellphone direct access, and a free comprehensive annual physical--among other benefits. If I can spend my FSA money on it, I might do it. I've built a relationship with him over the last 8 years and I don't want to go to the 20-doctors-in-a-building "Medical Group, Inc." But, this is the fate of American medicine; physicians either go into specializations that pay well, or family medicine practitioners seem to move toward group practices. Lone wolves go the concierge route. About four years ago, he told me he was taking his first vacation in six years. He was chartering a plane to Little Corn Island, Nicaragua for three days to go SCUBA diving. I asked him, "Why not longer?" His sobering response, "People might die if I'm gone longer. So many of my patients are on Medicare and in their 80s and 90s, I feel like I can't hand them off for a week to someone who doesn't know their histories and what treatments Medicare will pay for."

I guess he's had enough.

The architects of the eventual shift to a single payer system desire to shift care to physician extenders such as PAs or sharply reducing compensation to physicians. This is the ultimate design. Old style healthcare is not desired under the new, shifting paradigm.

[The_Douger]

The architects of the eventual shift to a single payer system desire to shift care to physician extenders such as PAs or sharply reducing compensation to physicians. This is the ultimate design. Old style healthcare is not desired under the new, shifting paradigm.

There's plenty of people who are willing to pay for concierge service. At some point if the incentive to go to all that school doesn't match up with the compensation, there will be a shortage and the medical providers and skilled individuals will still be able to gain the compensation they desire, even if the government doesn't want to pay it.

I'll give you one guess about who will suffer under that system.

[Omaha 680]

http://www.wsj.com/articles/obamacar...ans-1454282540

Nationally, premiums for individual health plans increased on average between 2015 and 2016 by 14.9%. Consumers in every state except Mississippi faced increased premiums, and in no fewer than 29 states the average increases were in the double digits. For a third of states, the average premiums rose 20% or more.

Minnesota holds the dubious honor of having the highest year-over-year premium increases, 47.7%. Why? Because that state’s BlueCross BlueShield, the largest insurer, with over 90% of the market, lost tens of millions of dollars during the Affordable Care Act’s first two years. The company requested an average 49% rate increase, which was approved by state regulators.

Remember: These premium increases are only one piece of the health-care cost puzzle. Deductibles are also rising under the Affordable Care Act. Silver plans—the most popular on the exchanges—had average deductibles of nearly $3,000 in 2016, according to the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation. This represents an 8% increase over last year.

Millions of Americans are coming to believe that the Affordable Care Act’s costs far outweigh its benefits. In 2014, the latest year for which data is available, roughly 7.5 million Americans paid the IRS penalty rather than purchase the law’s insurance. This penalty is rising to an average $969 per household in 2016 in an attempt to force people onto the exchanges. Yet even a $1,000 fine is cheap compared to thousands—and sometimes tens of thousands—of dollars for an Affordable Care Act-compliant plan.

[imanihonjin]

I am shocked.

Nobody could have seen this coming.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare...-unsustainable

[CardiacCoug]

UnitedHealthcare is dropping out of Obamacare and their stock price goes up. Blue Cross Blue Shield will probably drop out next.

Uh yeah why should they offer a product that loses 100s of millions of dollars?

It's a no-brainer that you make money selling health insurance to healthy people who won't use it, not to people who go sign up for health "insurance" because they definitely plan to use it.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

I am shocked.

Nobody could have seen this coming.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare...-unsustainable

I love the quote about "analysts expect the market to stabilize once young healthy start buying in."

lol, who are these "analysts?" So after United Healthcare and other insurers bail out and a few years of rapidly rising premiums the young and healthy will finally decide to jump in? Are these analysts Barack Obama, Paul Krugman and Valerie Jarrett? They're in fantasyland.

[byu71]

I haven't paid much attention to how this helps me personally. I think my premiums went up about $500 a year. I did have a cortosone shot which used to cost me maybe $100. This time it was $950. I called up my insurance and I guess my deductible has also gone up from $500 to $2,000.

That is about another $2,000 out of my pocket. If I knew for a fact the poor were really helped by my getting hit for $2,000, I would be fine with that. The problem is there are people in this office who that kind of hit would hurt. Maybe I should get on medicare and start collecting on some of all that money I have and am throwing into the pot.

Let's say $60,000 is on the middle class. That $2,000 is increasing their tax rate 5.7%

I have to turn off the TV or radio when Obama is speaking. As far as his non political life, I like him and think he is a good person. As far as his policies go he either lives in lala land or a very skilled politician. That means he outright lies and exagerrates and the press applauds him for it.