Obamacare cost...

[Katy Lied]

Meanwhile at the WW I memorial:

If there is someone who wants to see it, let's prevent them. But if no one wants to see, let's not do anything. Classic Dog-in-the-mangerism.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Now that Obama's approval rating is approaching Bush's levels of support around the time Katrina hit, it's time to go enjoy a sandwich out on the town with the commoners.

Then Harry Reid decides that calling John Boehner a coward and acting ambivalent about funding for treatment of kids with cancer might not be the best way to win people over to your side. He then apologizes for his rhetoric on the floor of the Senate.

Otherwise, this is working out exactly like the totally analogous 95-96 government shutdown. Except for the barricading of open air monuments and sections of parking lots on otherwise privately owned and operated parks, and the President refusing to negotiate and refusing to sign piecemeal funding bills for things like treating kids with cancer.

[calicoug]

Now that Obama's approval rating is approaching Bush's levels of support around the time Katrina hit, it's time to go enjoy a sandwich out on the town with the commoners.

Then Harry Reid decides that calling John Boehner a coward and acting ambivalent about funding for treatment of kids with cancer might not be the best way to win people over to your side. He then apologizes for his rhetoric on the floor of the Senate.

Otherwise, this is working out exactly like the totally analogous 95-96 government shutdown. Except for the barricading of open air monuments and sections of parking lots on otherwise privately owned and operated parks, and the President refusing to negotiate and refusing to sign piecemeal funding bills for things like treating kids with cancer.

From Twitter:

Republicans: We want to burn your house down.
Democrats: No
Republicans: Well then how about just the first floor?
Democrats: No
Republicans: Well how about just the second floor then?
Democrats: No
Republicans: Well what can we burn with fire then?
Democrats: Nothing
Republicans: You won't negotiate at all!

[calicoug]

Now that Obama's approval rating is approaching Bush's levels of support around the time Katrina hit, it's time to go enjoy a sandwich out on the town with the commoners.

Then Harry Reid decides that calling John Boehner a coward and acting ambivalent about funding for treatment of kids with cancer might not be the best way to win people over to your side. He then apologizes for his rhetoric on the floor of the Senate.

Otherwise, this is working out exactly like the totally analogous 95-96 government shutdown. Except for the barricading of open air monuments and sections of parking lots on otherwise privately owned and operated parks, and the President refusing to negotiate and refusing to sign piecemeal funding bills for things like treating kids with cancer.

I think the entire nation shares your shock that the president's approval rating goes down during a shutdown. You may really be onto an interesting correlation here. One previously unidentified. Publish your work before someone else does!

And if only there were a way to Google if monuments did previously shut down in 1995...

http://photos.mercurynews.com/2013/1...nt-shutdown/#6

[Uncle Ted]

Apparently the unicorn doesn't exist. So, we haven't yet found someone that has gotten an Obamacare policy. We still have the 30 year-old law student who was put on welfare with the aid of Obamacare.

http://reason.com/archives/2013/10/0...nderson-father

This Chad Henderson is a genius at getting his 15 minutes.

Apparently there are no unicorns at the state run ObamaCare exchange in California either... No one has signed up.

The reason why? The folks running California's health exchange haven't actually been trained to "sell anything."


KUSI reports that of the 500,000 visitors to the site, only 7,100 people have actually filled out applications for insurance. Because California has failed to train its employees on how to sell ObamaCare, it may be a long time before California's 7.1 million uninsured citizens can get the coverage the law is mandating they obtain.

[snowcat]

From Twitter:

Republicans: We want to burn your house down.
Democrats: No
Republicans: Well then how about just the first floor?
Democrats: No
Republicans: Well how about just the second floor then?
Democrats: No
Republicans: Well what can we burn with fire then?
Democrats: Nothing
Republicans: You won't negotiate at all!

I think the entire nation shares your shock that the president's approval rating goes down during a shutdown. You may really be onto an interesting correlation here. One previously unidentified. Publish your work before someone else does!

And if only there were a way to Google if monuments did previously shut down in 1995...

http://photos.mercurynews.com/2013/1...nt-shutdown/#6

Atta boy Cali. Random tweet and excusing dropping poll numbers. You need to work Bush into this for the trifecta.

[Uncle Ted]

Lots of happy people at the official ObamaCare facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/Healthcare.gov

I am so disappointed. These prices are outrageous and there are huge deductibles. No one can afford this!

The pool for pre-existing conditions closed months ago - so good luck with finding any coverage that you will not have to pay an arm and a leg for. Think this is free? Think again. Sheeple get eaten by the wolves every day.

Peg Reed I can`t even log in to my Actt to pick any insurance...


Jason Thompson Count yourself lucky Peg

Implementing ObamaCare by Outsourcing Illinois Jobs to India

Here is info straight from the gov. calculator based on $32,000 annual income...key points "tax credit subsidy of $9,800" , "out of pocket of $10,400" or roughly 33% of income.....good luck paying for this[...]

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[Color Me Badd Fan]

I think the entire nation shares your shock that the president's approval rating goes down during a shutdown. You may really be onto an interesting correlation here. One previously unidentified. Publish your work before someone else does!

And if only there were a way to Google if monuments did previously shut down in 1995...

http://photos.mercurynews.com/2013/1...nt-shutdown/#6

I'm sorry I need to correct myself on my last post. I was totally wrong about Obama having Bush's approval ratings after Katrina. It's actually a nice, solid 5 points lower than Bush's. I'll look up the metes and bounds of some of the parking lots adjacent to the local federal building, maybe there are a few more parking stalls the executive branch can barricade.

[Maximus]

From Twitter:

Republicans: We want to burn your house down.
Democrats: No
Republicans: Well then how about just the first floor?
Democrats: No
Republicans: Well how about just the second floor then?
Democrats: No
Republicans: Well what can we burn with fire then?
Democrats: Nothing
Republicans: You won't negotiate at all!

I'm sure you believe it. After all you defend obamacare.

[ERCougar]

You guys are way off. There's more than just Chad Henderson. For example, there's a single 30 year old UConn law student that went on to the website to get a policy and was informed that he was eligible for Medicaid. Welfare recipient this year, lawyer next year.

This is a stupid example, so stop rehashing it. I can't think of someone I'd rather the government help than the temporarily poor, who will end up paying it all back and then some.

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[Uncle Ted]

This is a stupid example, so stop rehashing it. I can't think of someone I'd rather the government help than the temporarily poor, who will end up paying it all back and then some.

Obamacare doesn't help and actually makes the problem worse for a lot people. The people that have been able to get quotes on the exchanges are reporting that it is greatly increasing the costs of their health care. (See the government's own facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/Healthcare.gov ) For example, someone earning $32K a year:

Here is info straight from the gov. calculator based on $32,000 annual income...key points "tax credit subsidy of $9,800" , "out of pocket of $10,400" or roughly 33% of income.....good luck paying for this[...]

I am reading about reports of companies that are dropping health care benefits for their part-time employees and telling them to go get it in the exchanges. I also read about how lots of people have lost their full-time jobs and part-time jobs is all they can find. So how exactly does ObamaCare fix this problem? By adding more consumers of health care (more people with insurance) seems to only drive up the demand for health care. Basic economics states that more demand for services and goods equals higher prices for those services and goods. It seems that in the health care business those services and goods are already over priced (of course, the health care providers don't post their prices so it is hard to tell)... Real reform of the health system would work to increase the competition of health care providers and lower the costs for everyone. Not raise them for most by driving competition out of the market (see http://www.cougarstadium.com/showthr...=1#post1026774 for example).

Simply requiring health care providers to post their prices on-line for their goods and services would be a good step. For example:

http://reason.com/reasontv/2012/11/1...oma-doctors-fi

Three years ago, Dr. Keith Smith, co-founder and managing partner of the Surgery Center of Oklahoma, took an initiative that would only be considered radical in the health care industry: He posted online a list of prices for 112 common surgical procedures. The 51-year-old Smith, a self-described libertarian, and his business partner, Dr. Steve Lantier, founded the Surgery Center 15 years ago, after they became disillusioned with the way patients were treated at St. Anthony Hospital in Oklahoma City, where the two men worked as anesthesiologists. In 1997, Smith and Lantier bought the shell of a former surgical center with the aim of creating a for-profit facility that could deliver first-rate care at a fraction of what traditional hospitals charge.


The major cause of exploding U.S. heath care costs is the third-party payer system, a text-book concept in which A buys goods or services from B that are paid for by C. Because private insurance companies or the government generally pick up most of the tab for medical services, patients don’t have the normal incentive to seek out value.


The Surgery Center’s consumer-driven model could become increasingly common as Americans look for alternatives to the traditional health care market—an unintended consequence of Obamacare. Patients may have no choice but to look outside the traditional health care industry in the face of higher costs and reduced access to doctors and hospitals.

The Surgery Center demonstrates that it’s possible to offer high quality care at low prices. "It's always been interesting to me,” says Dr. Jason Sigmon, “that in any other industry, tons of attention is devoted to making systems more efficient, but in health care that's just completely lost." Sigmon, an ear, nose, and throat surgeon, regularly performs procedures at both the Surgery Center and at Oklahoma City's Integris Baptist Medical Center, which is the epitome of a traditional hospital. It's run by a not-for-profit called Integris Health, which is the largest health care provider in Oklahoma serving over 700,000 patients a year.
[...]

It seems that big pharma and the health care providers were really the ones driving the decisions that were made in Obamacare. Where is the "architect of obamacare" now? (See http://www.cougarstadium.com/showthr...=1#post1026264 for clues)

Maybe we would be better off just going to socialized medicine (forcing health care providers, like yourself, to be employees of the government and creating "death panels" to determine which procedures get funded and which don't) rather than creating a health care system that less and less can afford. Of course, in the process life expectancy of americans (excluding fatal injuries like that received from fighting everyone else's and other stupid wars) would most likely no longer be the best and join that of other socialized countries:

See The Myth of Americans' Poor Life Expectancy at http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...fe-expectancy/

[Color Me Badd Fan]

This is a stupid example, so stop rehashing it. I can't think of someone I'd rather the government help than the temporarily poor, who will end up paying it all back and then some.

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You're right, this guy was the poster child thrust on us when the Dems were passing Obamacare.

Poor children of single mothers.

Kids with cancer whose parents don't have health insurance.

The elderly on social security.

A 30 year old law student who spends more at Starbucks every month than he would have on health insurance pre-Obamacare.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Obamacare doesn't help and actually makes the problem worse for a lot people. The people that have been able to get quotes on the exchanges are reporting that it is greatly increasing the costs of their health care. (See the government's own facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/Healthcare.gov ) For example, someone earning $32K a year:


I am reading about reports of companies that are dropping health care benefits for their part-time employees and telling them to go get it in the exchanges. I also read about how lots of people have lost their full-time jobs and part-time jobs is all they can find. So how exactly does ObamaCare fix this problem? By adding more consumers of health care (more people with insurance) seems to only drive up the demand for health care. Basic economics states that more demand for services and goods equals higher prices for those services and goods. It seems that in the health care business those services and goods are already over priced (of course, the health care providers don't post their prices so it is hard to tell)... Real reform of the health system would work to increase the competition of health care providers and lower the costs for everyone. Not raise them for most by driving competition out of the market (see http://www.cougarstadium.com/showthr...=1#post1026774 for example).

Simply requiring health care providers to post their prices on-line for their goods and services would be a good step. For example:

http://reason.com/reasontv/2012/11/1...oma-doctors-fi

It seems that big pharma and the health care providers were really the ones driving the decisions that were made in Obamacare. Where is the "architect of obamacare" now? (See http://www.cougarstadium.com/showthr...=1#post1026264 for clues)

Maybe we would be better off just going to socialized medicine (forcing health care providers, like yourself, to be employees of the government and creating "death panels" to determine which procedures get funded and which don't) rather than creating a health care system that less and less can afford. Of course, in the process life expectancy of americans (excluding fatal injuries like that received from fighting everyone else's and other stupid wars) would most likely no longer be the best and join that of other socialized countries:

See The Myth of Americans' Poor Life Expectancy at http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...fe-expectancy/

I've never seen that cancer chart you posted. The death rates in the UK and Denmark are shocking to me, especially on prostate cancer. Assuming someone is getting regular physicals, you hardly hear of anyone dying from prostate cancer. I assume the 10% are the ones that aren't getting checkups.

[calicoug]

Obamacare doesn't help and actually makes the problem worse for a lot people. The people that have been able to get quotes on the exchanges are reporting that it is greatly increasing the costs of their health care. (See the government's own facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/Healthcare.gov ) For example, someone earning $32K a year:

You know you can run the numbers through the calculator to verify what you wrote, right?

http://kff.org/interactive/subsidy-c...hild-tobacco=0

Plug in $32k per year in a single member household. You don't get a $10k bill after subsidies.

[Uncle Ted]

You know you can run the numbers through the calculator to verify what you wrote, right?

http://kff.org/interactive/subsidy-c...hild-tobacco=0

Plug in $32k per year in a single member household. You don't get a $10k bill after subsidies.

Kff.org? That isn't an exchange website. Where do I buy this insurance?


Edit: As I posted above the numbers came from someone's post on the government's (HealthCare.gov's) facebook page. (see https://www.facebook.com/Healthcare.gov ). There are lots of examples of people with the same issue. If you actually have a source to where one can buy health insurance for less money then you should post here and on the government's facebook page for all those asking the same question.