The Church's Changing Position on the Legalization Same-Sex Marriage

[Jeff Lebowski]

Wrong though he is, I actually very much applaud Tex for being willing to be more honest about this than a lot of people are.

I have to agree. Though I completely disagree with his position in just about every way, he is expressing what I think to be the official position of the church and the majority of its membership.

Interesting how Tex is always so popular among the apostates (SU has always loved him). I am sure it is nice to have someone like that to point to for affirmation.

[UtahDan]

Interesting how Tex is always so popular among the apostates (SU has always loved him). I am sure it is nice to have someone like that to point to for affirmation.

The apostates all love you as well, Jeff. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[Indy Coug]

It's better to be hated than to be loved.

[creekster]

It's better to be hated than to be loved.

Better for who?

[UtahDan]

It's better to be hated than to be loved.

You are getting Machiavelli wrong.

[Flystripper]

Interesting how Tex is always so popular among the apostates (SU has always loved him). I am sure it is nice to have someone like that to point to for affirmation.

Not affirmation really. It is true that I don't like Tex's position at all. I do know many active members here and elsewhere that disagree strongly with Tex's feelings on the matter. However, I am not sure CUF represents the majority of Mormon sentiment and I think Tex's and to a small degree Jacob's arguments need a voice here. That is all I am saying, and I am sure you agree.

Having them post their thoughts allows their message to continue to get vetted which IMHO is a good thing. I personally believe, that the more this issue is publicly discussed, the more foolish the anti-gay marriage argument appears. I don't think Tex or Jacob will ever be convinced, but there are people who read these type of discussions who might be influenced. Honestly, I don't feel the need to convince Tex that he is wrong with respect to this topic anymore, besides we are both probably beyond convincing at this point.

[Indy Coug]

Better for who?

Yes

[Non Sequitur]

As for homosexuals, they should be treated like human beings...

That might be one of the most offensive things I have ever read on CUF.

[Flystripper]

That might be one of the most offensive things I have ever read on CUF.

Like I said. These discussions are a good thing.

[Jeff Lebowski]

The apostates all love you as well, Jeff. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

So we got a threesome going?

[creekster]

So we got a threesome going?

You, flystripper and UD? Yikes.

[Jeff Lebowski]

You, flystripper and UD? Yikes.

And Tex!

[Jacob]

That might be one of the most offensive things I have ever read on CUF.

This is definitely the most offensive thing I've ever read on CUF.

[SoCalCoug]

Nothing should exclude them from that good institution. But that's not what we are talking about, we are talking about changing the good institution to include them, even though there is no significant legal benefits to them of their inclusion. It's all about social acceptance and the meaning of a word. I haven't seen a good argument for changing the institution. I haven't seen a good argument as to why the government ought to be involved in their increased social acceptance or moral approbation.

Not sure where you get this. There are significant legal benefits to people being married, including tax and insurance benefits, which are not available to domestic partnerships.

[creekster]

And Tex!

that makes a foursome and THIS might be the most disgusting thing I ahve read on CUF.