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  • Originally posted by oxcoug View Post
    Gingrich "mistakenly" awarded an "entrepreneur of the year" designation to a Dallas Strip Club owner. They have given him a lifetime membership.

    Newt =

    http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.c...fetime-me.html
    Originally posted by oxcoug View Post
    New Romney ad: What does Pelosi no?

    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...er=rss&emc=rss

    Pretty brutal.
    While I totally agree that Mitt is the superior candidate over Newt, you are bringing some weak sauce to the table today.

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    • Mitt is going for the jugular. I know Newt is a bastard and all that, but I think this is a bit too nasty.





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      • Originally posted by oxcoug View Post
        Gingrich "mistakenly" awarded an "entrepreneur of the year" designation to a Dallas Strip Club owner. They have given him a lifetime membership.

        Newt =

        http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.c...fetime-me.html
        Don't be so harsh. Gingrich has a personal stake in this guy's venture: Cinnamon the pole goddess just may be Mrs. Gingrich #4 someday.
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        • Originally posted by YOhio View Post
          Mitt is going for the jugular. I know Newt is a bastard and all that, but I think this is a bit too nasty.
          I tend to agree with you here. Save it for the debates.
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          • Originally posted by YOhio View Post
            Mitt is going for the jugular. I know Newt is a bastard and all that, but I think this is a bit too nasty.
            That's a borderline personal attack, but in all honesty Newt should be hung out to dry for the Fannie/Freddie stuff, ethics violations, 3 decades in Washington, etc.

            Newt is running as the anti-establishment, TEA Party loving, capitalist and his record absolutely contradicts that. IMO, his public record is free game. There's nothing in that flyer that goes after his personal life.
            "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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            • Originally posted by Moliere View Post
              That's a borderline personal attack, but in all honesty Newt should be hung out to dry for the Fannie/Freddie stuff, ethics violations, 3 decades in Washington, etc.

              Newt is running as the anti-establishment, TEA Party loving, capitalist and his record absolutely contradicts that. IMO, his public record is free game. There's nothing in that flyer that goes after his personal life.
              I don't get the "no personal attacks" line, esp. after Newt's antics during Lewinsky-gate. It's not just screwing around, it's dumping older women for younger, more attractive spouses at times when they became critically ill (and in the last instance whilst lambasting the President for an illicit affair).

              That speaks to his honesty and character. To an extent, I'm glad everyone is staying above that level for now, but I by no means think it's irrelevant or unfair to bring up the fact that Newt's a philanderer and a sleaze at home.
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              • Originally posted by Green Monstah View Post
                I don't get the "no personal attacks" line, esp. after Newt's antics during Lewinsky-gate. It's not just screwing around, it's dumping older women for younger, more attractive spouses at times when they became critically ill (and in the last instance whilst lambasting the President for an illicit affair).

                That speaks to his honesty and character. To an extent, I'm glad everyone is staying above that level for now, but I by no means think it's irrelevant or unfair to bring up the fact that Newt's a philanderer and a sleaze at home.
                I think it's unprofessional for a candidate to bring it up regardless of how bad it looks. That's why other sources leak that crap. If Mitt came out with a pamphlet hitting him with all those personal items I'd consider that a low blow and unprofessional. However, I have no issue with it being discussed, just not coming from the top or near the top. If it really is an issue, which it is here, it'll get discussed and will impact the candidate.

                But as for John King and other commentators to ask about it, sure they can given Newt's history with Clinton and such. I just don't want it coming from the other candidates.
                "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                • Originally posted by YOhio View Post
                  Mitt is going for the jugular. I know Newt is a bastard and all that, but I think this is a bit too nasty.
                  The cheapest thing abt this ad is the way is the way it showcases Newt's grotesquely sprawling chin w/ an implied contrast to Mitt's jaw of chiseled granite.
                  Last edited by oxcoug; 01-26-2012, 09:15 AM.
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                  • Originally posted by Moliere View Post
                    I think it's unprofessional for a candidate to bring it up regardless of how bad it looks. That's why other sources leak that crap. If Mitt came out with a pamphlet hitting him with all those personal items I'd consider that a low blow and unprofessional. However, I have no issue with it being discussed, just not coming from the top or near the top. If it really is an issue, which it is here, it'll get discussed and will impact the candidate.

                    But as for John King and other commentators to ask about it, sure they can given Newt's history with Clinton and such. I just don't want it coming from the other candidates.
                    What's the difference? Especially if its getting "leaked" at the direction of a candidate? .

                    Personally, I see nothing wrong with Romney bringing it up. It goes directly to Newt's character and honesty, things which Newt himself has put in issue.
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                    • Originally posted by YOhio View Post
                      Mitt is going for the jugular. I know Newt is a bastard and all that, but I think this is a bit too nasty.
                      Why? Is there anything inaccurate in those ads?
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                      • Originally posted by falafel View Post
                        What's the difference? Especially if its getting "leaked" at the direction of a candidate? .

                        Personally, I see nothing wrong with Romney bringing it up. It goes directly to Newt's character and honesty, things which Newt himself has put in issue.
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                        • Originally posted by falafel View Post
                          What's the difference? Especially if its getting "leaked" at the direction of a candidate? .

                          Personally, I see nothing wrong with Romney bringing it up. It goes directly to Newt's character and honesty, things which Newt himself has put in issue.
                          The only difference is perception. But I guess there could be two different cases to analyze. In Newt's case, sure Romney's camp could bring up the stuff that is known and to which Newt acknowledges. That can still be seen as a low blow and Romney would be better off having fringe groups (Super PACs) bring it up.

                          When it comes to unsubstantiated rumors (Newt asking for an open marriage) it shouldn't be brought up at all by Romney's camp. Instead, it is the medias responsibility to bring that up and filter out the facts/truth. If truth is found then Romney's camp can start to talk about it, but I just wouldn't see Romney beign the one saying "you asked for an open marriage" and not having it hurt him.
                          "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                          • If South Carolina didn't happen, then Mitt wouldn't have to be doing this. However, just like I wish my Senior Prom tux from Gingiss didn't happen but did, so did South Carolina to Mitt.

                            The Ricci Lake debates were what swung the momentum to Newt. Romney was just trying to hold serve and expected to easily win South Carolina. Two things happened: 1) Newt all of a sudden was the anti-establishment guy speaking truth to power (the media); and 2) Romney looked like a wimp in comparison by not sticking up for himself -- people thought he would lack the resolve to go after Obama in the general, in other words he looked like the exact opposite to Newt at that point.

                            These sometimes nasty attacks serve a dual purpose -- take Newt down a few notches and also make Romney look like a fighter, someone who will go after Obama. It seems to be working. Three polls have come out today that are incredibly consistent. Romney is ahead by 8,8 and 7 in them and the percentages are almost exactly the same. Of course it could all go overboard. The first page with the Jennifer Rubin quote goes too far, while the second page is much more effective.
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                            • Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
                              The Ricci Lake debates were what swung the momentum to Newt.
                              I hear that tonight's debate is back to the "Ricci Lake" format with the audience voicing their feelings as much as they want.

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                              • Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
                                If South Carolina didn't happen, then Mitt wouldn't have to be doing this. However, just like I wish my Senior Prom tux from Gingiss didn't happen but did, so did South Carolina to Mitt.

                                The Ricci Lake debates were what swung the momentum to Newt. Romney was just trying to hold serve and expected to easily win South Carolina. Two things happened: 1) Newt all of a sudden was the anti-establishment guy speaking truth to power (the media); and 2) Romney looked like a wimp in comparison by not sticking up for himself -- people thought he would lack the resolve to go after Obama in the general, in other words he looked like the exact opposite to Newt at that point.

                                These sometimes nasty attacks serve a dual purpose -- take Newt down a few notches and also make Romney look like a fighter, someone who will go after Obama. It seems to be working. Three polls have come out today that are incredibly consistent. Romney is ahead by 8,8 and 7 in them and the percentages are almost exactly the same. Of course it could all go overboard. The first page with the Jennifer Rubin quote goes too far, while the second page is much more effective.
                                Also the Southern Evangelical mistrust of mormon Mitt. Florida is important because it is more of an indicator for the non-Southern states. If Newt sticks around he might get Georgia and perhaps Tennessee on Super Tuesday, but if Mitt wins Florida it will be a Mitt sweep of all primaries and caucauses leading to an emphatic win on Big Tuesday.

                                But Mitt needs to continue to lamblast Newt through Florida and then go back to hammering Obama.
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