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Jim Cramer vs Jon Stewart
"Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --SolonTags: None
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It was fun until he actually came on The Daily Show. Then Stewart came off as a Dick. and normally I enjoy Jon and think Cramer is a putz.
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I thought it was a really good interview. It wasn't funny, but Stewart can go into 'public service' mode from time to time, and in that way I think this was a valuable interview.
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I have been following the episodes all week. It has been fun to watch. But that interview last night was painful. I felt sorry for Cramer. He seemed to completely wilt under pressure. It was embarassing. An interesting summary here:
"If it was a prize fight, they would have stopped it," said Howard Kurtz, the "Washington Post" media critic and host of CNN's "Reliable Sources." "I was stunned that Jim Cramer kind of did a rope-a-dope strategy and didn't really defend himself against Jon Stewart's assault.""There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostI have been following the episodes all week. It has been fun to watch. But that interview last night was painful. I felt sorry for Cramer. He seemed to completely wilt under pressure. It was embarassing. An interesting summary here:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/TV/0...ion/index.html
This is my point, better stated. At some point Jon should have known this was a slaughter and that Jim basically went on to be a good sport. But Jon just continued to lay it on, until I thought he was a dick.
Stewart makes several contradictory points that Cramer could have called him on but he was clearly stunned.Last edited by Coach McGuirk; 03-13-2009, 10:03 PM.
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The "I'm not going to say this on TV" clip seemed to especially stagger him.Originally posted by Coach McGuirk View PostThis is my point, better stated. As some point Jon should have known this was a slaughter and that Jim basically went on to be a good sport. But Jon just continued to lay it on, until I thought he was a dick.
Stewart makes several contradictory points that Cramer could have called him on but he was clearly stunned."Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon
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Cramer is a media whore, and it is ok to drag media whores out into the street for an occasional public shaming. What has Cramer done to deserve our sympathy? For years he made fortunes playing loose with the rules as a hedge funds manager, then he leveraged that into a couple of lucrative soap box deals. CNBC approached him and said, "hey, let us be your pimp."
A couple of weeks ago Bill Maher had a great idea, after hearing that the Chinese factory owner that created the poison toothpaste was going to be put to death. Maher suggested that we put a Wall Street broker to death in a painful, grotesque and public way. It wouldn't have to be all of them, just one, whose name could be drawn from a hat. Because that is a message. Break the rules, and your head might hang, literally, from the exchange boards.
Well Thursday night, Cramer served as a whipping boy for an entire journalistic enterprise. It might not have been fair to Cramer as an individual, but it was fair in the big picture.
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I don't watch The Daily Show, but I am continually amazed at how Stewart's fans stick up for him. He seemingly can do no wrong in the eyes of you folks.Originally posted by RobinFinderson View PostCramer is a media whore, and it is ok to drag media whores out into the street for an occasional public shaming. What has Cramer done to deserve our sympathy? For years he made fortunes playing loose with the rules as a hedge funds manager, then he leveraged that into a couple of lucrative soap box deals. CNBC approached him and said, "hey, let us be your pimp."
A couple of weeks ago Bill Maher had a great idea, after hearing that the Chinese factory owner that created the poison toothpaste was going to be put to death. Maher suggested that we put a Wall Street broker to death in a painful, grotesque and public way. It wouldn't have to be all of them, just one, whose name could be drawn from a hat. Because that is a message. Break the rules, and your head might hang, literally, from the exchange boards.
Well Thursday night, Cramer served as a whipping boy for an entire journalistic enterprise. It might not have been fair to Cramer as an individual, but it was fair in the big picture.“There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
― W.H. Auden
"God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
-- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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I found it interesting and thought Stewart played his self created role of spokesperson for the little man well. However part of the reason I think Cramer just let him pound him was that he realized Stewart was going to just keep running clips no matter what he said.
Cramer was in the try to appear repentant and save his TV/radio/book deals. It isn't like they both don't have the same audience. Cramer is the investing version of Jon Stewart politics. No real substance, flashy bits and comedy.Get confident, stupid
-landpoke
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I love Jon Stewart, but I thought Cramer did a fine job. I give him major props for even showing up on the show. Sure, he was apologetic, but I think that's the only appropriate tone in a situation like this.
I think Cramer's show is sort of annoying, at least for the probable grand total of about ten minutes that I've watched it. One thing is clear--he's solely about entertainment. Using this guy as your financial advisor is about as stupid as using Stewart as your source of news. CNBC deserves to take some much crap for what's happened, but Cramer is certainly not the most guilty suspect.At least the Big Ten went after a big-time addition in Nebraska; the Pac-10 wanted a game so badly, it added Utah
-Berry Trammel, 12/3/10
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I disagree with you on Stewart being a dick. Stewart's whole thesis is that Cramer should have been doing all along what Stewart was doing right there, and it wasn't supposed to be fun. Stewart was obviously not enjoying himself. At the end, he even said something (to the audience, not Cramer) like, "I hope this was as uncomfortable for you as it was for me". And it was. It was not a comfortable thing to watch, and I felt sorry for Cramer, but I think it is an example of exactly how the media should operate. I agree that Stewart's points were sometimes off base, but, after this and the crossfire segments, he obviously feels that the media is completely failing in its duties.Originally posted by Coach McGuirk View PostThis is my point, better stated. At some point Jon should have known this was a slaughter and that Jim basically went on to be a good sport. But Jon just continued to lay it on, until I thought he was a dick.
Stewart makes several contradictory points that Cramer could have called him on but he was clearly stunned.
I thought this was one of the more solid things I've seen on TV in a while.
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Maybe I'm not your target here, because I certainly think he can do wrong, and I watch him less than I used to because there is a certain amount of sycophancy at work (especially in the studio audience), but, while Stewart is obviously liberal, his biggest cause is that the media does not do its job. This is something that, I would think, conservatives would heartily agree with. What do you feel was the problem with this interview?Originally posted by LA Ute View PostI don't watch The Daily Show, but I am continually amazed at how Stewart's fans stick up for him. He seemingly can do no wrong in the eyes of you folks.
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Originally posted by Clark Addison View PostStewart's whole thesis is that Cramer should have been doing all along what Stewart was doing right there...but I think it is an example of exactly how the media should operate.Originally posted by RobinFinderson View PostWell Thursday night, Cramer served as a whipping boy for an entire journalistic enterprise. It might not have been fair to Cramer as an individual, but it was fair in the big picture.Cramer's importance, visibility and influence are being overstated, not by a little - but magnitudes.Originally posted by ERCougar View PostCNBC deserves to take some much crap for what's happened
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On the other hand, given the hype and vitriol coming from CNBC all week (especially Cramer), I am guessing that Stewart expected a major battle and came prepared with every weapon at his disposal. Surprisingly, Cramer came to the fight empty-handed.Originally posted by Coach McGuirk View PostThis is my point, better stated. At some point Jon should have known this was a slaughter and that Jim basically went on to be a good sport. But Jon just continued to lay it on, until I thought he was a dick.
Stewart makes several contradictory points that Cramer could have called him on but he was clearly stunned."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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I must be the only one here who didn't see it."Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill
"I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader
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