Oslo Bombing

[Statman Is Dumb]

If there really are Christian sleeper cells in the US, there's absolutely nothing stopping similar events here (I know I'm racist for assuming these guys are Christians). REAL terror would be caused by a relatively small number of more or less random attacks happening every few days at schools, malls, non-government office buildings, quiet neighborhoods, etc. These would be essentially impossible to stop.

Remember the utter chaos caused by Timothy McVeigh and Adolf Hitler? Imagine that, but with a few Timothy McVeighs in each major metro area of the US -a couple random killings in the country each day. As one gunman is caught, another from the cell takes over. A cell of 10 - 15 terrorists could drag out their reign of terror for a LONG time. There would be chaos. And Political Correctness would make everything worse. You'd have neighborhood militias forming to take matters into their own hands.

I'm kind of surprised it hasn't happened...

Thanks statman, for your insight. You really nailed this one.

[il Padrino Ute]

The operative word is amendment. That amendment should be amended.

Why? Because you are against handguns? Write your representatives and tell them to get things started if that's how you really feel.

[il Padrino Ute]

You might want to read up on the purpose of the Bill of Rights. They weren't simply amendments.

Perhaps people who disagree with the Bill of Rights don't like that they tell the government what it cannot do to the citizens.

[il Padrino Ute]

It doesn't need to be amended; it just needs to be subject to a sane interpretation.

The right to bear arms shall not be infringed seems sane to me. If it said that we had the right to indiscriminately shoot others, I would agree that that would be insane, but that's not what is stated.

[il Padrino Ute]

LOL at you. Now there is an original retort to this issue that I'm sure none of us has ever heard before. zzzzzzz

What else you got? Guns don't kill people, people kill people. There saved you the trouble.

Why do anti-handgun folks always dismiss those arguments? Can you dispute either one? If so, please do.

[Babs]

I also want to hear a story about a legally obtained handgun was used to go on a killing spree

How many do you want? There's Columbine, Virginia Tech, Gabrielle Giffords . . .

[il Padrino Ute]

Hows this: 2 years to total handgun ban. Government buys and destroys all handguns at pre-approved prices. Collector and rare guns included, at prices set by American gun experts. After that date anyone caught in posession of a handgun is arrested. Anyone using a handgun in the commission of a crime gets an enhanced penalty.*

Rifles and shotguns (and muzzle loading muskets! the most advanced weapon the founding fathers posessed when the 2nd amendment was written) are still legal, hence some of you can still cling to that God-given right just as tightly as ever.

I'm still waiting to hear how my Browning Auto-5 isn't a better machine to defend me and mine than a Glock. But I can't sneak it into a theatre or a bank.

*just like now.

How about the right to bear arms shall not be infringed? Your suggestions violate that right.

[DU Ute]

Folks such as Viking (And perhaps you as well?) would force people to not be able to have a handgun. You living in fear of being shot is irrational because I have no reason to shoot you, unless you put my life in danger.

So my life is contingent on the reasoableness of everyone who can get a handgun in properly assessing my threat to them? That is very reassuring.

[il Padrino Ute]

So my life is contingent on the reasoableness of everyone who can get a handgun in properly assessing my threat to them? That is very reassuring.

Tim specifically mentioned me and I told him that he has no rational reason to fear me carrying a gun.

[il Padrino Ute]

How many do you want? There's Columbine, Virginia Tech, Gabrielle Giffords . . .

Yes, those are examples of guns that were purchased legally, then given to criminals. Rather than restrict or eliminate the rights of all law abiding citizens, why not punish the ones who gave the weapons to the criminals?

[Uncle Ted]

Serious request: I want to hear a story(s) of how a handgun was used to protect oneself.

There are lots of stories... For example:


Woman shoots carjacker in Two Notch Wal-Mart parking lot

(Columbia) January 16, 2007 - A man and woman who were shopping at the Wal-Mart on Two Notch Road say a would-be carjacker was not only unsuccessful on Saturday - he is now suffering from a gunshot wound.

Harold Jeffcoat, 29, is the suspect. The victims say the man who tried to rob them came towards them as they were getting into their car and said, "Man, you know what time it is? Give me the keys!" Then they say Jeffcoat pushed his pistol into the man's stomach.

That's when the woman acted. She opened the passenger door and got her pistol from the glove box. She says she fired about five shots at the suspect, who ran away.

Officials say they found Jeffcoat at the Providence NE emergency room. He was there for a gunshot wound to the buttocks.

Jeffcoat is currently at the detention center on a $200,000 bond in this case, and is expected to face additional charges.

Police say Jeffcoat was already wanted in connection with half-a-dozen robberies when they arrested him in connection with the Wal-Mart case.

Meanwhile, authorities say the woman who shot the carjacker will not be charged.

84-year-old homeowner shoots intruder

Memphis police are investigating a home invasion that ended in a shooting.

Police say 84-year-old Willie Hancox called 911 around two Friday afternoon to say that he had shot an intruder.

Hancox says he fired two shots, hitting an intruder twice in the head.

Hancox says he is sick of the crime in his community.

"He said if they come in the door, I'm not gonna let them kill me and he meant that," says neighbor, Dorothy Dickerson.

Dickerson lives across the street and looks after Hancox.

Dickerson adds, "I say God is good, cause they had no business in there, and whoever did that got what they deserved. And, I say it in front of they face, not behind they back and I mean it."

Dickerson's sentiment is shared by most neighbors.

"He did the right thing," says neighbor, Markel Dickerson. "People that's law abiding people is getting tired of being pushed around by the thugs and thieves and dope dealers."

That's why Mr. Hancox had a gun, one his sons recently tried to take from him.

"We came over here that Saturday morning he said, hey, where's my gun, I need it back. I told him dad, you dont' really need a gun in this house." says Jake Hancox.

Jake Hancox says after speaking with his brother, the two decided to give the gun back to their father.

Now, both brothers are glad they listened. Jake Hancox says that the situation could have easily ended the other way around.

"Maybe somebody looks at the situation here and they might not do it," says Hancox.

It's a message homeowners hope criminals hear as loud and clear as a gunshot.

The intruder is listed in critical condition.

The most famous story on why citizens should be able to carry concealed handguns is from Dr. Suzanna Hupp... This is most likely the reason handgun laws were changed in Texas.

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On "gun free" zones...

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[Babs]

Yes, those are examples of guns that were purchased legally, then given to criminals. Rather than restrict or eliminate the rights of all law abiding citizens, why not punish the ones who gave the weapons to the criminals?

Check your facts. Loughner and Cho legally purchased their firearms from retailers.

[Uncle Ted]

Yes, those are examples of guns that were purchased legally, then given to criminals. Rather than restrict or eliminate the rights of all law abiding citizens, why not punish the ones who gave the weapons to the criminals?

In the case of the VT Massacre the state police approved the purchase of the gun...

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The point is if guns were outlawed then only the criminals would have guns. Dr. Hupp is right about gun free zones as well. I sometimes carry a handgun because a policeman is too damn heavy.

[il Padrino Ute]

Check your facts. Loughner and Cho legally purchased their firearms from retailers.

Okay, I'm wrong about Loughner and Cho. But I'm correct about Columbine. Easy on the condescension there, Babs.

[woot]

Okay, I'm wrong about Loughner and Cho. But I'm correct about Columbine. Easy on the condescension there, Babs.

If the Columbine guys wanted to do it legally, they could have. The brains behind the shootings had turned 18 and had no record so he could easily have done it himself. He had a friend do it anyway for unknown reasons. It's a pretty silly distinction, as either way a kid obtained a gun because guns were available for purchase.