Adam and Steve can now get married in NY...

[Donuthole]

You are literally the most annoying person in the universe.

Like anyone could know that.

[taekwondave]

Just answer the question: Why do you oppose gay marriage?

I oppose ALL marriage in one sense. I oppose the government being involved in marriage AT ALL. The issue for me is not whether gay should be allowed to marry or not, but whether a government who decides to get involved in something that is none of their business ought to give preferential treatment to some of its citizens when they do. I think the answer is obviously no. If the government wants to get involved in marriage, then they need to have less strict definitions for it than individual religions would, or else provide VERY GOOD REASONS why they don't. So far, the only reason they've provided is that the majority of Americans simply aren't comfortable with it.

Why are YOU not comfortable with it?

[Jacob]

If we didn't get it then you didn't communicate it clearly enough; unless you think we're stupid, in which case, this conversation was pointless from the beginning.

You are probably right, that it was pointless. I've been as clear as I can be, while trying to avoid getting distracted from the more modest points I have been making. I'm not very interested in debating gay marriage here. But, if all people wanted was for the government to give them the same flavor of ice cream that everybody else was getting from the government, I'd be fine with that. I love ice cream and wouldn't deny its goodness to anyone.

[TripletDaddy]

You are literally the most annoying person in the universe.

That makes no sense, given that you don't know everyone in the universe.

[taekwondave]

Okay. Nevermind.

[Green Monstah]

Like anyone could know that.

I aspire to be as humorous as you.

[Moliere]

2) repulsion by gay sex,

This is the same reason I oppose marriage between fat people.

[SoCalCoug]

We seem to be going in circles. I'm not interested in debating the topic with you as I think it's been beaten to death and you don't seem to want a reasonable discussion.

Isn't that sort of what this forum is for? If you don't want to debate the topic, why are you debating it?

[SoCalCoug]

Right. That's exactly what I said. I haven't heard a compelling reason for this change. There are several changes I would make to current marriage laws if I were emperor. I didn't say the current law was perfect or unchangeable. That was all you.

A significant portion of our population has a desire to marry someone with whom they have developed an intimate relationship. In this country, we believe that all people have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. This portion of our population believes their pursuit of happiness was hindered by restrictions against same-sex marriage, and they filed litigation to address this. Changing the law (actually, the perception or interpretation of the law) to allow this would not interfere in the rights or lives of the rest of the population. A judge, who is charged with this duty, found that the California constitution protected citizens' rights to marry someone of the same sex. Prop. 8 changed the constitution.

I guess I have to agree with you. I don't see a compelling reason for the Prop. 8 change to the constitution to prohibit same-sex marriage.

[SoCalCoug]

You are probably right, that it was pointless. I've been as clear as I can be, while trying to avoid getting distracted from the more modest points I have been making. I'm not very interested in debating gay marriage here. But, if all people wanted was for the government to give them the same flavor of ice cream that everybody else was getting from the government, I'd be fine with that. I love ice cream and wouldn't deny its goodness to anyone.

Tex and Johnny Lingo would be proud of you.

[Jacob]

Isn't that sort of what this forum is for? If you don't want to debate the topic, why are you debating it?

I wasn't. I was making a different point. But your posts here are exactly why I said I had no interest in rehashing the old debate.

[taekwondave]

I wasn't. I was making a different point. But your posts here are exactly why I said I had no interest in rehashing the old debate.

Okay then, would you mind providing me a link to where you actually DID state your reasons for opposing gay marriage, because I JUST got finished scouring this thread for any such statements, and again, all I could find was you affirming that what was being brought up WEREN'T your reasons. I still don't know what ARE your reasons.