Abortion and Gun Control

[frank ryan]

Anything to help them avoid talking about that shooter's racist motivations.

Yeah, convenient to ignore how Tucker Carlson has been spouting the racist conspiracy theory that served as motivation for the shooter. The “Great Replacement” theory is something Fox New should be ashamed of for giving repeated air time to.

[Commando]

Yeah, convenient to ignore how Tucker Carlson has been spouting the racist conspiracy theory that served as motivation for the shooter. The “Great Replacement” theory is something Fox New should be ashamed of for giving repeated air time to.

That's their bread and butter! They are determined that Democrats' master plan is to somehow bring tons of 'illegals' over and then give them the right to vote. I guess pointing out Republicans' seemingly incessant, generational racism and hatred of immigrants is how Democrats plan on getting them to vote Democrat.

[USUC]

The sad truth is there is really nothing we can do to stop these style of mass shootings. I know humans like to fix things and doing nothing seems outrageously negligent, but doing nothing politically is probably the least harmful thing to do

For one thing, every individual in this country has constitutional rights. We can't apprehend people in this country for pre-crime or on the hunch that they might act on violence. In cases where direct threats are made, police can act. But are we going to lock up all loners? all troubled teens? All young men on the spectrum with idiosyncratic interests in crime? Anyone researching mass shootings? Its not only not feasible, but it can't radicalize individuals who would otherwise never have acted (the 99.9% of troubled young men aren't mass shooters). I am all about making access to mental health service better. But even then, social workers and therapists are having their own issues separating politics and social justice from their practices in this current environment (my observations. I could be wrong). It would also probably be good if every time a shooting of this nature happens, the shooter is made even more infamous because it is immediately used as a political tool to cudgel enemies.

And the reality is this country is so overrun with firearms, you aren't going to realistically make a dent. Not only in practical terms of confiscating firearms by armed forces of the government, but also politically. Neither side can stay in power long enough to sustain such a thing. This is nothing more than wishful thinking and will do nothing to prevent these type of mass shootings. Handguns do most of the mass shootings. And they occur in inner city neighborhoods. But those are shootings of a different nature.

This type of mass shooting will continue and probably get worse. They are so terrifying because they are so random. Warning signs are almost always there and acknowledged by people around them. Sometimes law enforcement has intervened. But the shooter is still successful.

[BlueK]

Interesting how Fox thinks reporting on what msnbc hosts were saying about the mainstream GOP embracing a tamer version of white supremacy somehow scores points or something.

I mean good hell, we have actual members of Congress who have attended white supremacy conventions in recent months. The most popular conservative host on FOX can't stop putting out fascist "replacement theory" bullshit that has now inspired someone to commit mass murder over it. And Fox is doing whatever possible to not talk about the racism behind his actions even though he wrote a manifesto describing it.

The msnbc hosts cannot be more correct on what they were saying today.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-...te-nationalism

[USUC]

Interesting how Fox thinks reporting on what msnbc hosts were saying about the mainstream GOP embracing a tamer version of white supremacy somehow scores points or something.

I mean good hell, we have actual members of Congress who have attended white supremacy conventions in recent months. The most popular conservative host on FOX can't stop putting out fascist "replacement theory" bullshit that has now inspired someone to commit mass murder over it. And Fox is doing whatever possible to not talk about the racism behind his actions even though he wrote a manifesto describing it.

The msnbc hosts cannot be more correct on what they were saying today.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-...te-nationalism

To play devils advocate here, in 2008 and in 2012, there were plenty of democrats loudly gloating that demographic changes all but ensured a permanent democratic majority moving forward. The press parroted these same sentiments. This was a mainstream belief. So it's hardly surprising that many in the GOP would worry about the same thing Dems were bragging about. The problem now is, to the people in the GOP who are worried about demographic changes shifting politics, they see the hypocrisy in being called racist for acknowledging the same thing Dems did a decade ago (and still believe today). Calling them fascists doesn't change their minds.

I think immigration is good for the country in a number of ways and I think we need more of it. I also think that the idea that brown people will always vote democratic is not borne out in the data. The last couple of election cycles have shown that. Both dems hoping for it and GOP fighting against it doesn't mean it's actually based in reality.

And at the risk of being called an enabler on here, "replacement theory" is a distinct conspiracy theory that is extremely fringe and centers on the belief that jews are orchestrating the replacement of white Christians with people of color. That is what the Buffalo shooter believed. This is a different beast than worrying about how demographic changes will alter politics (something that dems also believe will happen). And it's disingenuous to conflate the two.

[smokymountainrain]

The sad truth is there is really nothing we can do to stop these style of mass shootings. I know humans like to fix things and doing nothing seems outrageously negligent, but doing nothing politically is probably the least harmful thing to do

For one thing, every individual in this country has constitutional rights. We can't apprehend people in this country for pre-crime or on the hunch that they might act on violence. In cases where direct threats are made, police can act. But are we going to lock up all loners? all troubled teens? All young men on the spectrum with idiosyncratic interests in crime? Anyone researching mass shootings? Its not only not feasible, but it can't radicalize individuals who would otherwise never have acted (the 99.9% of troubled young men aren't mass shooters). I am all about making access to mental health service better. But even then, social workers and therapists are having their own issues separating politics and social justice from their practices in this current environment (my observations. I could be wrong). It would also probably be good if every time a shooting of this nature happens, the shooter is made even more infamous because it is immediately used as a political tool to cudgel enemies.

And the reality is this country is so overrun with firearms, you aren't going to realistically make a dent. Not only in practical terms of confiscating firearms by armed forces of the government, but also politically. Neither side can stay in power long enough to sustain such a thing. This is nothing more than wishful thinking and will do nothing to prevent these type of mass shootings. Handguns do most of the mass shootings. And they occur in inner city neighborhoods. But those are shootings of a different nature.

This type of mass shooting will continue and probably get worse. They are so terrifying because they are so random. Warning signs are almost always there and acknowledged by people around them. Sometimes law enforcement has intervened. But the shooter is still successful.

amen. i haven't read the rest of the thread so i don't know what other people are saying, but outlawing guns simply isn't the answer. you outlaw guns, you end up taking guns from the good people and leaving them in the hands of criminals. that can't happen.

unfortunately id est quod id est

[Pelado]

id est quod id est

If someone had asked me to guess which CS poster would quote something in Latin today, smr would not have been my first guess.

[Non Sequitur]

If someone had asked me to guess which CS poster would quote something in Latin today, smr would not have been my first guess.

Que sera, sera

[smokymountainrain]

If someone had asked me to guess which CS poster would quote something in Latin today, smr would not have been my first guess.

[Pelado]

sjbh

[smokymountainrain]

sjbh

[frank ryan]

To play devils advocate here, in 2008 and in 2012, there were plenty of democrats loudly gloating that demographic changes all but ensured a permanent democratic majority moving forward. The press parroted these same sentiments. This was a mainstream belief. So it's hardly surprising that many in the GOP would worry about the same thing Dems were bragging about. The problem now is, to the people in the GOP who are worried about demographic changes shifting politics, they see the hypocrisy in being called racist for acknowledging the same thing Dems did a decade ago (and still believe today). Calling them fascists doesn't change their minds.

I think immigration is good for the country in a number of ways and I think we need more of it. I also think that the idea that brown people will always vote democratic is not borne out in the data. The last couple of election cycles have shown that. Both dems hoping for it and GOP fighting against it doesn't mean it's actually based in reality.

And at the risk of being called an enabler on here, "replacement theory" is a distinct conspiracy theory that is extremely fringe and centers on the belief that jews are orchestrating the replacement of white Christians with people of color. That is what the Buffalo shooter believed. This is a different beast than worrying about how demographic changes will alter politics (something that dems also believe will happen). And it's disingenuous to conflate the two.

The deal with the Replacement Theory is that it is being mainstreamed. It’s not longer fringe. That’s a problem. It gets airtime on popular conservative outlets including multiple Fox shows. Republican thought leaders have becoming increasingly more comfy with racists ideas and terms. The GOP has done a poor job at pushing fascists out of their ranks and if you come up with a way to blame that one democrats or anyone else, kudos to you! But you can feel free to take a rest from apologizing for the far right craziness of our day.

[BlueK]

The deal with the Replacement Theory is that it is being mainstreamed. It’s not longer fringe. That’s a problem. It gets airtime on popular conservative outlets including multiple Fox shows. Republican thought leaders have becoming increasingly more comfy with racists ideas and terms. The GOP has done a poor job at pushing fascists out of their ranks and if you come up with a way to blame that one democrats or anyone else, kudos to you! But you can feel free to take a rest from apologizing the far right craziness of our day.

Tucker Carlson's rhetoric is much closer to USUC's last paragraph than to the first part of his post.

[Eddie]

After hearing so much of the Buffalo shooter being a Tucker Carlson theory follower, I was a little surprised see this article kind of telling another story. Don't get me wrong - I'm not a Tucker fan, I don't watch Fox News. The only clips I ever see are those linked here or CB. But I found this interesting:

https://nypost.com/2022/05/17/malici...��

Media accusations that “Buffalo barbarian” Payton Gendron, who shot 13 people Saturday, is “some sort of Tucker Carlson acolyte would be baffling” if not so “transparently malicious,” fumes the Washington Examiner’s Tiana Lowe. His 180-page manifesto doesn’t “mention Carlson once”; instead, he denounces Fox hosts as Jewish, Rupert Murdoch (who owns Post parent company News Corp) as a “Christian Zionist” and conservative Ben Shapiro as the “rat” phenotype of Jewish people. He declares himself an “ethno-nationalist eco-fascist national socialist” who loathes conservatism. “The shooter wasn’t radicalized” by Fox or Shapiro; he was “enraptured” by the “dregs of the internet” during the COVID lockdown, a “poison” that proved “as addictive as any opioid” — and for the victims, “far more dangerous.”

I know liberals and conservatives like to blame all of our nation's woes on the other side, but I'm not sure what to make of this. Any thoughts?

[Uncle Ted]

After hearing so much of the Buffalo shooter being a Tucker Carlson theory follower, I was a little surprised see this article kind of telling another story. Don't get me wrong - I'm not a Tucker fan, I don't watch Fox News. The only clips I ever see are those linked here or CB. But I found this interesting:

https://nypost.com/2022/05/17/malici...��



I know liberals and conservatives like to blame all of our nation's woes on the other side, but I'm not sure what to make of this. Any thoughts?

Shhhhhh.... You need to keep this on the low down, man. Liberals have very tender hearts and you are going to hurt their feelings. Let them think they are right once in a while.