Abortion and Gun Control

[BlueHair]

I hereby pledge to vote against any politician that tries to make abortion or gun control an issue in the next election. These issues are settled. Roe v. Wade is never going to be overturned and our guns are never going to be taken away. Let's hear some ideas from them on actual issues.

[venkman]

I hereby pledge to vote against any politician that tries to make abortion or gun control an issue in the next election. These issues are settled. Roe v. Wade is never going to be overturned and our guns are never going to be taken away. Let's hear some ideas from them on actual issues.

You're mistaken if you think our guns could never be taken away. Eternal vigilance, my friend.

[il Padrino Ute]

You're mistaken if you think our guns could never be taken away. Eternal vigilance, my friend.

Truer words have never been posted here at CUF.

[Scott R Nelson]

...Roe v. Wade is never going to be overturned and our guns are never going to be taken away.

After reading this article about Buffalo New York, I'm thinking it might be time to start taking a few guns away. Start with assault rifles and go from there.

Do the gun people have any suggestions at all about how to stop these mass shootings that keep happening?
We shouldn't just have to accept that it's going to happen and that there is nothing that we can do.

I would love to hear your arguments both ways on this issue.

[Commando]

I'm hearing on Fox News that it's all the realistic video games these days that probably desensitize kids and turn them into gun toting monsters. I guess there aren't video games in other countries or something I don't know I stopped paying attention...

[Non Sequitur]

I think it's time we extend the right to bear arms to the fetus after the first trimester. Is "Arm the Unborn" already trademarked?

[BigFatMeanie]

After reading this article about Buffalo New York, I'm thinking it might be time to start taking a few guns away. Start with assault rifles and go from there.

Do the gun people have any suggestions at all about how to stop these mass shootings that keep happening?
We shouldn't just have to accept that it's going to happen and that there is nothing that we can do.

I would love to hear your arguments both ways on this issue.

OK, I'll engage with you on this topic. I propose that we bring back the insane asylums and involuntary commitment that existed in our society until about the 1970s. That will help reduce, but not completely stop, mass shootings. It would also solve a chunk of the homeless problem - bonus!

How about you explain what an assault rifle is, and what makes them so bad compared to a non-assault rifle, seeing as you propose to ban them. It should be noted that the gun was legally purchased, which he then illegally modified to accept an illegal magazine (illegal in the state of New York - perfectly legal in places like Utah and Idaho). So laws banning certain types of guns or gun accessories aren't going to stop mass shootings.

If you want to truly stop mass shootings you will need to:

1. Get 67 Senators and 290 Representatives to propose a constitutional amendment outlawing guns.
2. Get 38 states to ratify the amendment.
3. Convince the millions of gun owners to turn in their 350+ million newly-outlawed guns.
4. Collect by force any remaining guns that the population didn't turn in

[Non Sequitur]

OK, I'll engage with you on this topic. I propose that we bring back the insane asylums and involuntary commitment that existed in our society until about the 1970s. That will help reduce, but not completely stop, mass shootings. It would also solve a chunk of the homeless problem - bonus!

How about you explain what an assault rifle is, and what makes them so bad compared to a non-assault rifle, seeing as you propose to ban them. It should be noted that the gun was legally purchased, which he then illegally modified to accept an illegal magazine (illegal in the state of New York - perfectly legal in places like Utah and Idaho). So laws banning certain types of guns or gun accessories aren't going to stop mass shootings.

If you want to truly stop mass shootings you will need to:

1. Get 67 Senators and 290 Representatives to propose a constitutional amendment outlawing guns.
2. Get 38 states to ratify the amendment.
3. Convince the millions of gun owners to turn in their 350+ million newly-outlawed guns.
4. Collect by force any remaining guns that the population didn't turn in

I was a kid in the 70's, and I think we had a governor who was famous for shutting down all the California mental institutions. I don't remember his name, but I'm sure he was another in a long line of liberal governors that have long plagued the state.

[Pelado]

I was a kid in the 70's, and I think we had a governor who was famous for shutting down all the California mental institutions. I don't remember his name, but I'm sure he was another in a long line of liberal governors that have long plagued the state.

Did his first name rhyme with "Donald"?

[Bo Diddley]

So are we saying that institutionalizing people is the better way? And did Bonald close all the institutions in the US?

[BigFatMeanie]

So are we saying that institutionalizing people is the better way? And did Bonald close all the institutions in the US?

I am positing that institutionalizing people, while sad and terrible (envision the classic creepy insane asylum like the infamous Danvers State Hospital), is the better way if we want to reduce gun violence, including mass shootings and suicide by firearm, along with homelessness.

Ronald Reagan signed the Lanterman-Petris-Short act in 1967, which went into full effect in 1972 while Reagan was serving his second term. No, he didn't close them across the country. Other states did that on their own.

The Gipper got a lot of things right, but, sadly, hindsight and the law of unintended consequences make me think he may have got this one wrong.

[BigFatMeanie]

Interestingly, Reagan also signed the Therapeutic Abortion Act in 1967 - basically allowing abortion as a means of birth control, and the Mulford Act in 1967, preventing concealed carry. He also signed the Family Law Act in 1969, the first no-fault divorce legislation in the U.S. According to wikipedia, he said that signing the Family Law Act was the greatest regret in his public life. Reagan's eventual conservatism was clearly not fully formed yet during his first term as guv.

[Bo Diddley]

I am positing that institutionalizing people, while sad and terrible (envision the classic creepy insane asylum like the infamous Danvers State Hospital), is the better way if we want to reduce gun violence, including mass shootings and suicide by firearm, along with homelessness.

Ronald Reagan signed the Lanterman-Petris-Short act in 1967, which went into full effect in 1972 while Reagan was serving his second term. No, he didn't close them across the country. Other states did that on their own.

The Gipper got a lot of things right, but, sadly, hindsight and the law of unintended consequences make me think he may have got this one wrong.

It's an interesting question, and I'm not sure what the right answer is. Probably somewhere in the middle of where we were to where we are.

To me, his greatest failure was the war on drugs. Of course hind sight is 20/20.

[BlueK]

I'm hearing on Fox News that it's all the realistic video games these days that probably desensitize kids and turn them into gun toting monsters. I guess there aren't video games in other countries or something I don't know I stopped paying attention...

Anything to help them avoid talking about that shooter's racist motivations.

[MartyFunkhouser]

Interestingly, Reagan also signed the Therapeutic Abortion Act in 1967 - basically allowing abortion as a means of birth control, and the Mulford Act in 1967, preventing concealed carry. He also signed the Family Law Act in 1969, the first no-fault divorce legislation in the U.S. According to wikipedia, he said that signing the Family Law Act was the greatest regret in his public life. Reagan's eventual conservatism was clearly not fully formed yet during his first term as guv.

I'm going to have to use one of my f-word allotments on this one. He is a fucking moron if he regretted that. No fault divorce is absolutely critical and necessary in our society. We'd be better getting rid of marriage completely then having to prove fault in divorce.