My 9/11 concerns

[FMCoug]

While we certainly have a lot of diverse people / opinions here on CUF, counte me surprised. I never thought we'd get a real live Illuminati/New World Order/Black Helicopter guy.

[taekwondave]

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[wuapinmon]

taekwondave, did you recently watch that protracted 'cartoon" about the de Rothschild banking family controlling the world?

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[Coach McGuirk]

So those guys on that site don't exist? You're personally friends with more than 2,000 architects and engineers and they've all told you their view on 9/11? I don't get your play on this. Wasn't a BYU professor fired a few years ago right after he held a lecture series on why he thought it was a controlled demolition? What about that guy? Did he barely graduate too, all the way to a PhD? Help me out here, pal because you're acting like you go to these architects and engineer bonanzas and they all confide in you their feelings on 9/11. I need a little more from you than bad humor.

But apparently you don't need much from wacko's to believe them. You should just keep on down the rabbit holes.

[old_gregg]

So those guys on that site don't exist? You're personally friends with more than 2,000 architects and engineers and they've all told you their view on 9/11? I don't get your play on this. Wasn't a BYU professor fired a few years ago right after he held a lecture series on why he thought it was a controlled demolition? What about that guy? Did he barely graduate too, all the way to a PhD? Help me out here, pal because you're acting like you go to these architects and engineer bonanzas and they all confide in you their feelings on 9/11. I need a little more from you than bad humor.

lebowski loves this guy!

can we get an ip check? this is too good to be true.

[PaloAltoCougar]

TDK, is there anyone out there who has rationally demonstrated how a group of people could plant explosive devices on hundreds of floors in WTC 1, 2 and 7 without a single, disinterested eyewitness? Seriously, how is that humanly possible?

[FN Phat]

Ah yes. The old "Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth" group.

Reminds me of the old joke:

Q: What do you call the guy who graduated last in his class at med school?
A: Doctor

The same applies to engineering. I can assure you that there are lots of idiots in this great country who somehow managed to complete an engineering degree and find employment. Not surprising that some of them would buy into this nonsense. I can also tell you that the overwhelming consensus in the engineering community is that the towers fell due to the impact damage and fires.

I work with some of these engineers. I will admit that I am a sucker for conspiracy theories. I love to hear the different point of views and ideas but 99.5% of the time, I come back to what the history bookls tells us. The same is true with the 9/11 attacks. I don't think the majority of the responses that TDK is getting is due to the conspiracy theory but more to do with the delivery (or lack there of).

[Coach McGuirk]

TDK, is there anyone out there who has rationally demonstrated how a group of people could plant explosive devices on hundreds of floors in WTC 1, 2 and 7 without a single, disinterested eyewitness? Seriously, how is that humanly possible?

Don't forget the 2 planes than didn't exist, and the missile that hit the pentagon. I giant big ass 757 sized missile.

[NorthwestUteFan]

Ah yes. The old "Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth" group.

The same applies to engineering. I can assure you that there are lots of idiots in this great country who somehow managed to complete an engineering degree and find employment. Not surprising that some of them would buy into this nonsense. I can also tell you that the overwhelming consensus in the engineering community is that the towers fell due to the impact damage and fires.

There certainly are some fools in a group like that, but to say they are ALL bottom-of-the-classers is a bit disingenuous. Steven E. Jones was one of THE top electrical chemists in nation prior to the whole cold fusion flap, and he has bought into the conspiracy thing hook, line, and sinker. Otherwise smart people are fully capable of being deceived.

That said, to believe the Towers fell due to anything other than damage inflicted by a 767 and a 757 requires the significant suspension of disbelief. The mechanism of failure is based on very simple, basic material and structural principles and well-proven science. The Popular Mechanics discussion on the effects is easily backed by these well-known characteristics that can be reviewed in any structural engineering 101 textbook.

The funniest thing about the whole conspiracy is the fact that it would require the complicity of literally many tens of thousands of people, without a SINGLE dissent. Anybody who has dealt closely with the government for any sustained period of time will realize the bumbling, highly partisan, self-serving, often seemingly incompetent groups of bureaucrats somehow have 100% bought into the lies.

You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.

[BigFatMeanie]

Ahh, TKDave - now I see the problem:

You're asking us to tell you what we know that you don't know. The problem is, we don't know what you don't know. If we knew what you didn't know, then we would know what to tell you about what we know that you don't know, in which case you would then know what we know.

Perhaps you don't know that we don't know what you don't know? In that case, it is incumbent on the not-knower to let the knower know that the not-knower doesn't know, in which case the knower would now know what the not-knower doesn't know and would then be able to tell the not-knower the things that the knower knows so that the not-knower would then be a knower.

[Jeff Lebowski]

So those guys on that site don't exist? You're personally friends with more than 2,000 architects and engineers and they've all told you their view on 9/11? I don't get your play on this. Wasn't a BYU professor fired a few years ago right after he held a lecture series on why he thought it was a controlled demolition? What about that guy? Did he barely graduate too, all the way to a PhD? Help me out here, pal because you're acting like you go to these architects and engineer bonanzas and they all confide in you their feelings on 9/11. I need a little more from you than bad humor.

lol. You are killing me.

There are 1.5 million engineers in the US and about 250,000 architects. So out of that group of 1,750,000 people, they somehow found 1500 to sign the petition.

I know all about that BYU prof.

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