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  • #46
    Romney interview on Today:

    http://bit.ly/l1qstC

    I think ox's criticisms of Mitt's latest reading were out of context.
    “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
    ― W.H. Auden


    "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
    -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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    • #47
      Originally posted by YOhio View Post
      Romney defectors.
      Katie McBreen? Jill Latham?
      Ute-ī sunt fīmī differtī

      It can't all be wedding cake.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by oxcoug View Post
        Katie McBreen? Jill Latham?
        I sure hope Romney can find equal or better replacements of those two...

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        • #49
          Romney bringing it pretty strong in his announcement. I liked it.
          "Nobody listens to Turtle."
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          • #50
            This certainly isn't my analysis, as I'v read it a few places recently, but Romney has a good chance at beating Obama if he gets the GOP nomination. The 2010 census switched 15 electoral votes to states that McCain won. Also, Obama will struggle to keep several of the purple states he won in 2008, for example Nevada and Florida. If Romney wins those (hello Rubio VP?) and wins only what McCain won in 2008, he'll be the next president.

            It's the state polls that are huge in this race, not the national ones.
            "Sure, I fought. I had to fight all my life just to survive. They were all against me. Tried every dirty trick to cut me down, but I beat the bastards and left them in the ditch."

            - Ty Cobb

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            • #51
              Originally posted by San Juan Sun View Post
              This certainly isn't my analysis, as I'v read it a few places recently, but Romney has a good chance at beating Obama if he gets the GOP nomination. The 2010 census switched 15 electoral votes to states that McCain won. Also, Obama will struggle to keep several of the purple states he won in 2008, for example Nevada and Florida. If Romney wins those (hello Rubio VP?) and wins only what McCain won in 2008, he'll be the next president.

              It's the state polls that are huge in this race, not the national ones.
              I totally buy that Romney cld win the general esp if the economy continues to suck.

              I'm more bearish on his chances in the primary.

              I also think that if he got out of the primary and could stop worrying and being insecure about sniping on his flanks in his own party that he'd get more comfortable in his role and the Romney that people close to him know and appreciate would surface more in public.
              Ute-ī sunt fīmī differtī

              It can't all be wedding cake.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by oxcoug View Post
                I'm more bearish on his chances in the primary.

                I also think that if he got out of the primary and could stop worrying and being insecure about sniping on his flanks in his own party that he'd get more comfortable in his role and the Romney that people close to him know and appreciate would surface more in public.
                He needs to do exactly what he did in today's speech: hammer Obama, focus on the economy (that's where he's credible), and ignore the other GOP candidates.

                Oh, and he needs to quit reading/talking about reading Twilight books.
                "Sure, I fought. I had to fight all my life just to survive. They were all against me. Tried every dirty trick to cut me down, but I beat the bastards and left them in the ditch."

                - Ty Cobb

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by San Juan Sun View Post
                  He needs to do exactly what he did in today's speech: hammer Obama, focus on the economy (that's where he's credible), and ignore the other GOP candidates.

                  Oh, and he needs to quit reading/talking about reading Twilight books.
                  I talked to a couple of folks today who listened to his announcement. They were less than impressed - saying that they'd much rather he talk about what he would do differently to fix things rather than just saying Obama is bad.

                  Their opinion is that just saying Obama is bad, doesn't mean Romney would be good.

                  But take this with a grain of salt - these were Democrats talking.

                  From my own perspective - I get tired of the mudslinging myself and don't necessarily disagree with what they had to say. I get tired of the finger pointing and bad mouthing. Don't just tell me what a screwup the other guy is - tell me how you would fix his screwups.


                  Finally - I say talk all you want about Twighlight. If I had to venture a guess, I would say that more women vote than men - overall. If talking Twighlight gets you in their good graces - why not? It has a secondary bonus of being a book written by an LDS woman. So the women who are freaked out about the possibility of an LDS president can make the association with the book they like and reach the conclusion that maybe an LDS president wouldn't be all bad. After all - that one LDS woman wrote a great book.

                  All he needs to do next is tell everyone how much he loves and admires Oprah - and he's got the women vote wrapped up without ever having to kiss a baby.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Eddie View Post
                    I talked to a couple of folks today who listened to his announcement. They were less than impressed - saying that they'd much rather he talk about what he would do differently to fix things rather than just saying Obama is bad.

                    Their opinion is that just saying Obama is bad, doesn't mean Romney would be good.

                    But take this with a grain of salt - these were Democrats talking.
                    Bingo.


                    Originally posted by Eddie View Post
                    From my own perspective - I get tired of the mudslinging myself and don't necessarily disagree with what they had to say. I get tired of the finger pointing and bad mouthing. Don't just tell me what a screwup the other guy is - tell me how you would fix his screwups.
                    Did you listen to his entire speech? Repeal of ObamaCare? Balanced budget capped at 20% of GDP? If I gave the impression that all Romney did was talk about how bad Obama has been, I apologize, because that wasn't my intent.

                    I feel (like many others) that 2012 will be a referendum on Obama, and by focusing on that (and ignoring Palin/Paul/Cain/Bachman/Santorum etc.) he'll draw attention to his assets. He lost in 2008 because he tried to flank McCain to the right, and seemed insincere to social conservatives. His strategy to win didn't play to his strengths. Sort of like running up the middle three times with a minute an a half left while your frshman QB is throing the ball well against Utah. Romeny's FG got blocked because he go away from being Romney.



                    Originally posted by Eddie View Post
                    Finally - I say talk all you want about Twighlight. If I had to venture a guess, I would say that more women vote than men - overall. If talking Twighlight gets you in their good graces - why not? It has a secondary bonus of being a book written by an LDS woman. So the women who are freaked out about the possibility of an LDS president can make the association with the book they like and reach the conclusion that maybe an LDS president wouldn't be all bad. After all - that one LDS woman wrote a great book.

                    All he needs to do next is tell everyone how much he loves and admires Oprah - and he's got the women vote wrapped up without ever having to kiss a baby.
                    I don't think women will vote for him beause he read Twiglight. Pre-teen girls might, but they're too young to vote.
                    "Sure, I fought. I had to fight all my life just to survive. They were all against me. Tried every dirty trick to cut me down, but I beat the bastards and left them in the ditch."

                    - Ty Cobb

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by San Juan Sun View Post
                      Did you listen to his entire speech? Repeal of ObamaCare? Balanced budget capped at 20% of GDP? If I gave the impression that all Romney did was talk about how bad Obama has been, I apologize, because that wasn't my intent....
                      I didn't hear any of it. We happened to be at lunch and one of them - unsolicited - said she had heard the announcement and was disappointed that Romney focused so much on Obama instead of on what he would do. But she didn't give any details as you have.

                      Honestly - I don't mind some discussion on what Obama has done wrong so long as it is accompanied by what he would do to fix it. What will it take to make things right. I agree that the election will be about Obama. But just telling folks what a screwup he is could just make some folks who voted for him defensive. I tire of the political finger pointing of what the other side has done to screw up without any ideas for what to do instead.

                      I like the idea of pointing out the broken promises and screw ups - so long as they are accompanied by ideas.

                      Originally posted by San Juan Sun View Post
                      I don't think women will vote for him beause he read Twiglight. Pre-teen girls might, but they're too young to vote.
                      I didn't think I needed to add TIC to this. Particularly when I made the LDS connection and added Oprah to the mix.

                      That said - I don't think it hurts a politician to be "regular" in some regards. Reading a "regular" novel now and then rather than just the NYT or WP.

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                      • #56
                        I've heard that there were differences in Romney's health care plan and what was ultimately passed. Can anyone point out what those are?

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by San Juan Sun View Post
                          I don't think women will vote for him because he read Twilight. Pre-teen girls might, but they're too young to vote.
                          In the Today interview in question he named 3 books he's read in the last couple of months:
                          • The Rule of Nine (a Steve Martini detective novel he says he read for fun)
                          • Decision Points (the G.W. Bush memoir)
                          • Twilight (because of his granddaughter)


                          Romney did major in English at BYU, so we know he has a Stanford-Harvard-Yale level foundation in literature.
                          “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                          ― W.H. Auden


                          "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                          -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                          "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                          --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Shaka View Post
                            I've heard that there were differences in Romney's health care plan and what was ultimately passed. Can anyone point out what those are?
                            You'll learn more than you probably want to know here and here. (The New Yorker piece is subscriber-only.)
                            “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                            ― W.H. Auden


                            "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                            -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                            "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                            --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
                              Romney did major in English at BYU, so we know he has a Stanford-Harvard-Yale level foundation in literature.
                              Watch it bud.
                              "Nobody listens to Turtle."
                              -Turtle
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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Surfah View Post
                                Watch it bud.
                                Can't you take a compliment?
                                “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                                ― W.H. Auden


                                "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                                -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                                "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                                --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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