Afghanistan "Kill Teams": Uh Oh...

[wuapinmon]

Che Gueverra allegedly was fond of murdering priests, among others, but I don't know whether or not that was ever proven definitively. I admit I am not very familiar with him, but I have seen arguments on both sides for and against him. Of the three you list he is the only one that I would truly consider to be a political murder.

Almost everything written about Guevara in this country is not correct. I can't stand him, but he was never given a fair shake. I've now read a good 1200 pages on the man, and while I'm glad he's gone, he was murdered in cold blood and did not deserve to die when, how, or because of what he did.

[NorthwestUteFan]

Yup, the winner usually writes the history. Being a child of the South, you certainly know that very well. (My Dad is from Atlanta)

off topic: Did you finish your critique of the Che book? I read the first installments a few months ago with great interest.

[Lost Student]

John Dillinger

Spoiler for Dillinger:

Something about that Dillinger photo is...ahh...ermm...hmm, how do I say this? Maybe the resident mortician can tell me, but why does it appear that he has such a strong case of rigor mortis? Was the embalming fluid pumped in at too high a pressure, or what?

[RobinFinderson]

Something about that Dillinger photo is...ahh...ermm...hmm, how do I say this? Maybe the resident mortician can tell me, but why does it appear that he has such a strong case of rigor mortis? Was the embalming fluid pumped in at too high a pressure, or what?

Snopes says that is his arm.

[RobinFinderson]

BTW, one of the soldiers being tried is from Boise, which means that there is probably a 50:50 chance that he is Mormon. Another is from Wassila, which means that there is about a 50:50 chance that he is batshit crazy.

[CJF]

BTW, one of the soldiers being tried is from Boise, which means that there is probably a 50:50 chance that he is Mormon. Another is from Wassila, which means that there is about a 50:50 chance that he is batshit crazy.

How did you come up with those odds for Boise? I'd say it is probably closer to 85% likely that he is not Mormon.

[scottie]

How did you come up with those odds for Boise? I'd say it is probably closer to 85% likely that he is not Mormon.

I'd agree with you, CJF.

[Uncle Ted]

BTW, one of the soldiers being tried is from Boise, which means that there is probably a 50:50 chance that he is Mormon. Another is from Wassila, which means that there is about a 50:50 chance that he is batshit crazy.

How did you come up with those odds for Boise? I'd say it is probably closer to 85% likely that he is not Mormon.

Yes, he is more likely a BSU fan that dislikes mormons because of BYU and Utah leaving the MWC. Given that TCU is leaving as well he may not even care for any christians.

[RobinFinderson]

How did you come up with those odds for Boise? I'd say it is probably closer to 85% likely that he is not Mormon.

I figured that the fact that he chose to serve his country in the armed forces increased the likelihood that he is Mormon.

[NorthwestUteFan]

I figured that the fact that he chose to serve his country in the armed forces increased the likelihood that he is Mormon.

While I know many church members who are in the armed services, wouldn't this in fact DECREASE the likelihood that he is Mormon? Or am I extrapolating too much, seeing that states like Utah, and especially counties like Utah County, which are highly Mormon, are some of the lowest in the nation in military service per capita? Perhaps Idaho Mormons are different...

[NorthwestUteFan]

Your buddy can say he doesn't condone it all he wants, but the second he participated in a "trophy" photo (and he admitted he has) he condoned it.

To clarify, my friend is NOT in the military. He flies UAVs to spot targets. When he find them, they call in the heavy metal to blow it away.

He DOES, however, say that he has a great deal of respect for the Afghanis and Iraqis. In terms of honor, charity, and nobility of spirit, they far surpass Americans according to him.

[RobinFinderson]

While I know many church members who are in the armed services, wouldn't this in fact DECREASE the likelihood that he is Mormon? Or am I extrapolating too much, seeing that states like Utah, and especially counties like Utah County, which are highly Mormon, are some of the lowest in the nation in military service per capita? Perhaps Idaho Mormons are different...

I was just making up numbers. I fear that any more attempt to defend them and I might start believing my own BS.

[Lost Student]

I was just making up numbers. I fear that any more attempt to defend them and I might start believing my own BS.

You actually would have been much closer to correct with your odds if he were from the Eastern part of Idaho.

[NorthwestUteFan]

Robin, as a small "L" libertarian*, what do you think of these operations (and of the larger operations specifically) in light of our own founding documents?

I particular I refer to folowing from the Declaration of Independence:

He has kept among us, in times of peace, standing armies without the consent of our legislature.

He has affected to render the military independent of and superior to civil power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his assent to their acts of pretended legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment for any murders which they should commit on the inhabitants of these states:

As I said above, I used to be a cheerleader for such actions. Now I am not so sure. How are we NOT doing the above mentioned things?



*or are you a Capital "L"?

[RobinFinderson]

Robin, as a small "L" libertarian*, what do you think of these operations (and of the larger operations specifically) in light of our own founding documents?

I particular I refer to folowing from the Declaration of Independence:



As I said above, I used to be a cheerleader for such actions. Now I am not so sure. How are we NOT doing the above mentioned things?



*or are you a Capital "L"?

For me, this has nothing to do with being a Libertarian. If we can tilt the conflict in favor of people seeking to overthrow a dictator by merely preventing destroying the dictator's lines of communication and preventing him from bombing and strafing the rebels, then I think this is acceptable, especially when done with the help of other free nations who see the plight of the rebels in the same light. Hopefully this will be done quickly.

I would prefer that we NOT be capable of doing anything in this situation, because we had decided to demilitarize and become a big Libertarian commune that supplied the world's demand for organic marijuana, but I don't see that happening any time soon. So I guess I'm ok with the current move, but will lose confidence if things don't wrap up quickly, or if we find ourselves going at it alone, or if the rebels raise up a new dictator to replace the old.