ICE ICE baby - the immigration thread

[dabrockster]

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This can’t be real.. Holy shit.

[dabrockster]

Yes, I will be her guardian. Can you make that happen? Do you know if there are others willing to be her guardian? Family members?

I note that you didn't respond to whether she should be able to stay if she WANTS to. Do you have a response to that?

Ummm. She’s 5-years old.. I find that equivalent to asking a teenager to have a sex change. Completely wrong.

[dabrockster]

What can I say? I don't have the energy to both-sides every opinion I share. But to troll for laughs? Hell yeah, I'll do that all day!

Ok, that made me chuckle.. Although, you are not being an equal-troller. Waiting for you to flip that script.

[Shaka]

Yes, I will be her guardian. Can you make that happen? Do you know if there are others willing to be her guardian? Family members?

I note that you didn't respond to whether she should be able to stay if she WANTS to. Do you have a response to that?

She can stay. Mom can't.

[falafel]

Ummm. She’s 5-years old.. I find that equivalent to asking a teenager to have a sex change. Completely wrong.

So a 5-year old U.S. citizen doesn't have rights? Completely wrong bro.

[falafel]

She can stay. Mom can't.

Yes. Exactly 100%,

[dabrockster]

So a 5-year old U.S. citizen doesn't have rights? Completely wrong bro.

What is your end game? Mother cannot stay. No idea about other relatives and if they are legal.

But now you are talking about ripping a 5-year old child from their mother because she is a citizen and her Mom is not. If your end game is to allow Mom to stay. That is the manipulation I spoke about earlier. And open-season for any illegal to come across, have a child so they can force this exactly situation.

[beefytee]

What is your end game? Mother cannot stay. No idea about other relatives and if they are legal.

But now you are talking about ripping a 5-year old child from their mother because she is a citizen and her Mom is not. If your end game is to allow Mom to stay. That is the manipulation I spoke about earlier. And open-season for any illegal to come across, have a child so they can force this exactly situation.

Do you think that police should never give warnings for speeding tickets?

Having authorities use discretion doesn’t mean everyone gets a free pass.

And focusing on preventing people from entering or those who recently have, rather than those who have been here a long time, prevents your “open” season.

[chrisrenrut]

What is your end game? Mother cannot stay. No idea about other relatives and if they are legal.

But now you are talking about ripping a 5-year old child from their mother because she is a citizen and her Mom is not. If your end game is to allow Mom to stay. That is the manipulation I spoke about earlier. And open-season for any illegal to come across, have a child so they can force this exactly situation.

The end game is for these deportees to receive due process before being put on a plane. She was arrested on Jan 5th, and was in Honduras by Jan 11th. No way she got to consult with a lawyer and go before a judge. Especially since the Trump admin had fired over 100 immigration judges in the past year.

I wish Commando was here to comment on what should be happening and how the system is failing.

Trump direct quotes about due process for immigrants:

• We can't give everyone a trial, because to do so would take, without exaggeration, 200 years".
• "If people come into our country illegally, there's a different standard".
• "The courts have, all of a sudden, out of nowhere, they said, maybe you have to have trials. Trials. We're gonna have five million trials? Doesn't work".

[Shaka]

The end game is for these deportees to receive due process before being put on a plane. She was arrested on Jan 5th, and was in Honduras by Jan 11th. No way she got to consult with a lawyer and go before a judge. Especially since the Trump admin had fired over 100 immigration judges in the past year.

I wish Commando was here to comment on what should be happening and how the system is failing.

Trump direct quotes about due process for immigrants:

• We can't give everyone a trial, because to do so would take, without exaggeration, 200 years".
• "If people come into our country illegally, there's a different standard".
• "The courts have, all of a sudden, out of nowhere, they said, maybe you have to have trials. Trials. We're gonna have five million trials? Doesn't work".

You need to research Expedited Removal.

Expedited removal may happen when a noncitizen:

• Comes to the U.S. without proper travel documents
• Uses forged travel documents
• Does not comply with their visa or other entry document requirements

[LVAllen]

You need to research Expedited Removal.

Expedited removal may happen when a noncitizen:

• Comes to the U.S. without proper travel documents
• Uses forged travel documents
• Does not comply with their visa or other entry document requirements

ER applies to someone apprehended within two years of their arrival. If you're suggesting someone with a five year old can't prove they have been in the US for two years, I find that dubious.

[chrisrenrut]

You need to research Expedited Removal.

Expedited removal may happen when a noncitizen:

• Comes to the U.S. without proper travel documents
• Uses forged travel documents
• Does not comply with their visa or other entry document requirements

Interesting. There are other stipulations, which I don’t think this woman would have met seeing as she had a 5 year old child that was born in the USA. But the news article doesn’t give specifics.

The expedited removal statute, found in INA § 235(b)(1) (8 U.S.C. § 1225(b)(1)), allows U.S. immigration officers to summarily deport certain noncitizens without a hearing, primarily those who arrive at ports of entry without proper documents or use fraud/misrepresentation, and also those caught shortly after unauthorized entry who lack two years of continuous presence.

[Shaka]

ER applies to someone apprehended within two years of their arrival. If you're suggesting someone with a five year old can't prove they have been in the US for two years, I find that dubious.

A January 2025 Executive Order changed this. According to AI it's now under legal challenge.

[dabrockster]

Ken Blackwell chimes in on the recent protest in a place of worship and the possible implications and the use of the KKK Act. I wish this guy would run for the Governor office here. He is a well-reasoned and always pretty thoughtful when he comments on such things.

BREAKING: DOJ ANNOUNCES INTENTION TO CHARGE DON LEMON UNDER THE KU KLUX KLAN ACT ????

The Department of Justice has announced its intention to charge Don Lemon under the Ku Klux Klan Act following what he did during an anti ICE protest that spilled into a church service in Minnesota.

Here is the background so everyone understands exactly what happened.

Don Lemon went to Minnesota to cover anti ICE activism.

While worshipers were inside a church attending a religious service, a group of protesters entered the sanctuary and began disrupting the service.

They did not wait until after worship.

They did not stand outside and make their point.

They marched into the middle of the service, shouted, chanted, and created a confrontation in a space meant for prayer and reflection.

Rather than remaining outside or merely observing from a distance, Don Lemon followed the protesters into the church sanctuary.

He livestreamed and recorded the disruption from inside the worship space as it was happening.

He was not a detached observer reporting from afar.

He was inside the sanctuary while the interruption took place and broadcast the scene to a national audience.

Afterward, instead of condemning the interruption of a church service, Lemon defended what happened.

He dismissed the outrage and suggested that religious groups upset by the incident were displaying a sense of entitlement.

He framed that entitlement as part of a broader structure of power and dominance.

That response struck millions as dismissive of the basic right to worship without political ambush.

This is not about Lemon’s views on immigration.

This is about the fundamental question of whether a sacred space can be invaded and turned into a political stage, and whether anyone who helps facilitate that should be held accountable.

The Ku Klux Klan Act is a powerful civil rights law created to protect Americans from intimidation and interference with their constitutional freedoms, including the free exercise of religion.

Federal authorities clearly believe what happened goes beyond protest and crosses into interference with the right to worship.

That is why the DOJ has announced its intent to pursue charges under that statute.

Free speech does not mean you can invade any space you choose.

Protest does not mean you can hijack a religious service.

Journalism does not grant immunity when behavior crosses into facilitation.

A church is not a political arena.

It is a protected space where people come to pray, to seek peace, to sit without fear of confrontation.

Treating objections to an ambushed worship service as entitlement is not courage.

It is contempt.

Once we decide that sacred spaces can be commandeered and that disruption is justified if someone believes they have a righteous cause, nothing is off limits.

This moment draws a hard line about where protest ends and intimidation begins.

If these charges move forward, the implications will be enormous.

They will reshape the boundaries of protest.

They will clarify the obligations of journalists.

They will test whether religious liberty still carries real weight in American law.

This is not a partisan issue.

This is a civil rights issue.

A nation that cannot protect the simple act of worship is a nation flirting with moral and legal breakdown.

And a culture that mocks that concern is daring history to repeat itself.

[Northwestcoug]

Someone cleverly said this is making the US's best pitch for Greenland:

Federal immigration agents forced open a door and detained a U.S. citizen in his Minnesota home at gunpoint without a warrant, then led him out onto the streets in his underwear in subfreezing conditions, according to his family and videos reviewed by The Associated Press.

ChongLy “Scott” Thao told the AP that his daughter-in-law woke him up from a nap Sunday afternoon and said that U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents were banging at the door of his residence in St. Paul. He told her not to open it. Masked agents then forced their way in and pointed guns at the family, yelling at them, Thao recalled.

“I was shaking,” he said. “They didn’t show any warrant; they just broke down the door.”...


Thao, who has been a U.S. citizen for decades, said that as he was being detained he asked his daughter-in-law to find his identification but the agents told him they didn’t want to see it.

Instead, as his 4-year-old grandson watched and cried, Thao was led out in handcuffs wearing only sandals and underwear with just a blanket wrapped around his shoulders.

Videos captured the scene, which included people blowing whistles and horns and neighbors screaming at the more than a dozen gun-toting agents to leave Thao’s family alone.

Thao said agents drove him “to the middle of nowhere” and made him get out of the car in the frigid weather so they could photograph him. He said he feared they would beat him. He was asked for his ID, which agents earlier prevented him from retrieving.

Agents eventually realized that he was a U.S. citizen with no criminal record, Thao said, and an hour or two later, they brought him back to his house. There they made him show his ID and then left without apologizing for detaining him or breaking his door, Thao said.

https://apnews.com/article/minnesota-immigration-us-citizen-detained-hmong-d009590a491c0c8243ef21ef24db7182

ICE did say they were looking for convicted sex offenders, but an easy online search showed that the nearest registered ones were two blocks away. I guess it's small praise that the warrantless racial profiling constitution-busting raid didn't end up with someone getting killed.