JD Vance is a duplicitous POS

[frank ryan]

when he is right he is right thugh

midas tpuch bibi is gonna get ikilled in his election in 2-3 months

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I don't think he is wrong on this.

[Maximus]

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[frank ryan]

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Vance is shameless. He thinks Nick Shirley deserves a Pulitzer

[Jeff Lebowski]

Lol. Frank, do you have nightmares about Nick Shirley?

[PaloAltoCougar]

Vance is such a suck-up. It's pretty clear Trump's IQ is not extraordinary because IQ tests were common during the time of his youth to determine placement in gifted and more able programs. If there were documentary evidence of Trump's high intelligence or lofty academic performance does anyone think he would withhold, or have withheld, such evidence? Instead, he has repeatedly threatened all of his schools with doom and destruction if they release any records. But perhaps he's just being modest and doesn't want to show off.

[Shaka]

Vance is such a suck-up. It's pretty clear Trump's IQ is not extraordinary because IQ tests were common during the time of his youth to determine placement in gifted and more able programs. If there were documentary evidence of Trump's high intelligence or lofty academic performance does anyone think he would withhold, or have withheld, such evidence? Instead, he has repeatedly threatened all of his schools with doom and destruction if they release any records. But perhaps he's just being modest and doesn't want to show off.

I thought they did the placement using SAT scores. I was told they used SATs to place me in the gifted and more able programs starting in seventh grade. I don't recall ever taking an IQ test as part of my schooling. How do I know? When I started to bomb seventh grade, my parents took me to a therapist and part of it was administering an IQ test that took several hours. Unfortunately, an ADHD diagnosis wasn't really a thing back in 1982, so the therapist struggled to figure out my deal. Like the SATs of my grade school years, my IQ test determined that I wasn't a Mensa candidate, but not far off either. There was a number assigned, but I prefer the term they assigned to my score: "Gifted"—my poor parents. One of my older sisters thought the discrepancy between my IQ and academic scores was probably due to drugs and alcohol. I didn't touch illicit substances, so I told my sister to shut up.

Why do I bring this up? I'd like to think it was to clue you Mensa people in to the fact that academic performance isn't necessarily an indicator of smarts. However, the real reason is that I sometimes like to relive childhood trauma.

I think The Donald is probably a bright fellow. I disagree that he's one of the most intellectually gifted presidents.

[frank ryan]

Lol. Frank, do you have nightmares about Nick Shirley?

He's so dumb it's funny to joke about how it absurd it is he is taking seriously.

And Vance saying he should get the Pulitzer is moronic and insincere.

[PaloAltoCougar]

I thought they did the placement using SAT scores. I was told they used SATs to place me in the gifted and more able programs starting in seventh grade. I don't recall ever taking an IQ test as part of my schooling. How do I know? When I started to bomb seventh grade, my parents took me to a therapist and part of it was administering an IQ test that took several hours. Unfortunately, an ADHD diagnosis wasn't really a thing back in 1982, so the therapist struggled to figure out my deal. Like the SATs of my grade school years, my IQ test determined that I wasn't a Mensa candidate, but not far off either. There was a number assigned, but I prefer the term they assigned to my score: "Gifted"—my poor parents. One of my older sisters thought the discrepancy between my IQ and academic scores was probably due to drugs and alcohol. I didn't touch illicit substances, so I told my sister to shut up.

Why do I bring this up? I'd like to think it was to clue you Mensa people in to the fact that academic performance isn't necessarily an indicator of smarts. However, the real reason is that I sometimes like to relive childhood trauma.

I think The Donald is probably a bright fellow. I disagree that he's one of the most intellectually gifted presidents.

I didn't think the SAT was administered to younger kids, and certainly not for the purpose of elementary school GATE and More Able programs. I don't think that IQ tests were administered universally to kids, but they were for special cases, for private schools, and in some school districts. The Stanford Binet (IQ) tests were fairly common, at least in California, in the 60s and private school Donnie almost certainly had that and other tests administered to him.

I also think Trump has, or at least had, considerable intellectual gifts. But through a combination of bad parenting, terrible examples (Hello, Roy Cohn!), and the lack of a moral center, his only efforts to self-improve have selfish and materialistic, certainly not academic, intellectual or spiritual. He is the most solipsistic human I've ever been aware of.

[Shaka]

He's so dumb it's funny to joke about how it absurd it is he is taking seriously.

And Vance saying he should get the Pulitzer is moronic and insincere.

He's 24. He's not expected to light the world on fire with his intellect. I'd wager people didn't think you were too brilliant at that age.

A much better indicator of dumb is those who can't, even if it's grudgingly, give Shirley a bit of credit. He's shining a long-overdue bright light on fraud and abuse. Not bad for a 24-year-old.

[Shaka]

I didn't think the SAT was administered to younger kids, and certainly not for the purpose of elementary school GATE and More Able programs. I don't think that IQ tests were administered universally to kids, but they were for special cases, for private schools, and in some school districts. The Stanford Binet (IQ) tests were fairly common, at least in California, in the 60s and private school Donnie almost certainly had that and other tests administered to him.

I also think Trump has, or at least had, considerable intellectual gifts. But through a combination of bad parenting, terrible examples (Hello, Roy Cohn!), and the lack of a moral center, his only efforts to self-improve have selfish and materialistic, certainly not academic, intellectual or spiritual. He is the most solipsistic human I've ever been aware of.

In grade school, at least a day or two was dedicated to answering questions and coloring in the Scantron sheet for what they called SATs. Possibly, they meant the standard aptitude test instead of the Stanford Achievement Test. I'd wager they are close to the same thing.

[Bo Diddley]

I didn't think the SAT was administered to younger kids, and certainly not for the purpose of elementary school GATE and More Able programs. I don't think that IQ tests were administered universally to kids, but they were for special cases, for private schools, and in some school districts. The Stanford Binet (IQ) tests were fairly common, at least in California, in the 60s and private school Donnie almost certainly had that and other tests administered to him.

I also think Trump has, or at least had, considerable intellectual gifts. But through a combination of bad parenting, terrible examples (Hello, Roy Cohn!), and the lack of a moral center, his only efforts to self-improve have selfish and materialistic, certainly not academic, intellectual or spiritual. He is the most solipsistic human I've ever been aware of.

When I was a kid in the Bay Area, they administered some form of IQ tests, though I could never remember taking one. My Mom made a point not to tell any of us how we scored, though I'm sure both of my older brothers and my younger sister scored quite high. Two of them ended up skipping grades. I really have no doubt that even though I made it into the "gifted program" I was and am the dummy of the bunch--kind of how I feel on here.

[PaloAltoCougar]

In grade school, at least a day or two was dedicated to answering questions and coloring in the Scantron sheet for what they called SATs. Possibly, they meant the standard aptitude test instead of the Stanford Achievement Test. I'd wager they are close to the same thing.

Yeah, I think those were standard aptitude tests that most elementary and junior high schools administered every year. The SATs were/are the standard college entrance tests. Confusing.

[frank ryan]

Test taking isn't a great way to measure intelligence. And a High IQ score doesn't equate to automatically having an easier life. Sometimes more bright people struggle with anxieties and existential depression that simpler folks are less likely to encounter.

ADHD is a real thing. I've heard some providers (doctors and therapists alike) downplay the diagnosis but for people myself included it's a real and problematic example of neurodivergence.

[frank ryan]

I don't think Trump is dumb. I don't think he is gifted in the typical sense of intelligence. He is cunning and crafty and great at messaging. I also think he is unencumbered by guilt or remorse because of his personality flaws. He is Machiavellian and good at it.

There are different accounts of him kinda skating through college on his name only. I have heard he isn't particularly a great reader or writer but he hasn't needed to get in order to achieve his goal of gaining more power.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I think trump is dumber than a sack of hammers. He got where he is by inheriting wealth and being a ruthless, unscrupulous SOB with unlimited ambition.