Shooting at protestors in SLC

[Bo Diddley]

Seriously, this notion that Kamala Harris was not "voted on" and therefore not a legit candidate drives me nuts. Do you MAGA folks not know that for most of the US history, presidential candidates were selected at the party convention and not in a primary vote? See Harry Truman for a recent example.

Finally, now democracy is taking root in the United States of America!

[USUC]

Seriously, this notion that Kamala Harris was not "voted on" and therefore not a legit candidate drives me nuts. Do you MAGA folks not know that for most of the US history, presidential candidates were selected at the party convention and not in a primary vote? See Harry Truman for a recent example.

If anything, we need to return to the smoky backroom deals to select a representative for the party.

[frank ryan]

Seriously, this notion that Kamala Harris was not "voted on" and therefore not a legit candidate drives me nuts. Do you MAGA folks not know that for most of the US history, presidential candidates were selected at the party convention and not in a primary vote? See Harry Truman for a recent example.

MAGA is low on historical awareness

[Shaka]

Seriously, this notion that Kamala Harris was not "voted on" and therefore not a legit candidate drives me nuts. Do you MAGA folks not know that for most of the US history, presidential candidates were selected at the party convention and not in a primary vote? See Harry Truman for a recent example.

Well, I'm not MAGA but in the interest of pissing off you lefties (I know you're not a leftie but you called me MAGA so....) I will defer to Elon's Grok for my answer:

The last time a Democratic Party presidential candidate, excluding Kamala Harris, was selected without a primary was in 1968, when Hubert Humphrey was chosen as the nominee. Primaries existed then, but they were not the dominant method for selecting delegates, and Humphrey secured the nomination through party elites and convention delegates rather than a competitive primary process

[Shaka]

MAGA is low on historical awareness

Well, either that or it hasn't happened in over fifty years.

[frank ryan]

I don't think anyone on here was clamouring to shutdown down prostrates after Charlottesville or J6.

[PaloAltoCougar]

Well, I'm not MAGA but in the interest of pissing off you lefties (I know you're not a leftie but you called me MAGA so....) I will defer to Elon's Grok for my answer:

The recent (in U.S. historical terms) shift to a primary system isn't necessarily a good thing. MAGA and others, mainly populists, claim it's a more democratic approach to electing candidates, but instead it's resulted in more extreme candidates (on both sides) being elected, since it's the more fanatical who are inclined to attend primary conventions and drive the primary process. Trump had a very strong faction backing him at the outset, and was able to pick off more qualified, intelligent ad/or competent leaders one-by-one because of his outlier, populist base. Utah lost a very good, reasonable senator in favor of the [insert pejorative though accurate adjective of your choice] Mike Lee. Primaries aren't always a good thing, and as currently implemented have led to a far more contentious and divisive electorate.

This essay by Jonah Goldberg provides a good argument for why what the Democrats did with Kamala wasn't a bad thing.

P.S. I've long been fascinated by the populist use of the word "elite" as condemnatory. I'm fine with having my surgeon, accountant, masseur, or any other service provider being elite.

[Moliere]

Can I get an irony ruling on people protesting becasue of a perceived loss of constitutional rights also calling for limits on rights protected by the second amendment?

[Jeff Lebowski]

Well, I'm not MAGA but in the interest of pissing off you lefties (I know you're not a leftie but you called me MAGA so....) I will defer to Elon's Grok for my answer:

Yeah. Like I said, for most of the history of the United States, presidential candidates were mainly elected via conventions. That is still a perfectly viable way to do it that is in line with the US constitution. So all this whining about Harris stealing the nomination unfairly is complete nonsense.

Do you think they should have said, "Wow, Joe Biden dropped out. I guess Trump will just have to run unopposed!" Come on.

There are so many perfectly legitimate things to skewer the democrats about bungling the 2024 elections. Claiming foul play on the Harris nomination at the convention is just silly.

[frank ryan]

Can I get an irony ruling on people protesting becasue of a perceived loss of constitutional rights also calling for limits on rights protected by the second amendment?

Huh

[Shaka]

The recent (in U.S. historical terms) shift to a primary system isn't necessarily a good thing. MAGA and others, mainly populists, claim it's a more democratic approach to electing candidates, but instead it's resulted in more extreme candidates (on both sides) being elected, since it's the more fanatical who are inclined to attend primary conventions and drive the primary process. Trump had a very strong faction backing him at the outset, and was able to pick off more qualified, intelligent ad/or competent leaders one-by-one because of his outlier, populist base. Utah lost a very good, reasonable senator in favor of the [insert pejorative though accurate adjective of your choice] Mike Lee. Primaries aren't always a good thing, and as currently implemented have led to a far more contentious and divisive electorate.

This essay by Jonah Goldberg provides a good argument for why what the Democrats did with Kamala wasn't a bad thing.

P.S. I've long been fascinated by the populist use of the word "elite" as condemnatory. I'm fine with having my surgeon, accountant, masseur, or any other service provider being elite.

I'm not a big fan of the caucus system. My last district in South Jordan was overrun by one faction of the party and my newer district in Lehi isn't much better.

[Shaka]

Yeah. Like I said, for most of the history of the United States, presidential candidates were mainly elected via conventions. That is still a perfectly viable way to do it that is in line with the US constitution. So all this whining about Harris stealing the nomination unfairly is complete nonsense.

Do you think they should have said, "Wow, Joe Biden dropped out. I guess Trump will just have to run unopposed!" Come on.

There are so many perfectly legitimate things to skewer the democrats about bungling the 2024 elections. Claiming foul play on the Harris nomination at the convention is just silly.

I actually don't care how they came up with a candidate. My view is that Kamala should have been president at some point during Biden's last term. On the other hand, my Democrat friends are the ones who are pissed at Kamala's accent. I agree with them that she was a horrible candidate.

My point was merely an observation at the irony of the event.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I actually don't care how they came up with a candidate. My view is that Kamala should have been president at some point during Biden's last term. On the other hand, my Democrat friends are the ones who are pissed at Kamala's accent. I agree with them that she was a horrible candidate.

My point was merely an observation at the irony of the event.

Well, that's the point. There is no irony.

[UVACoug]

New video of the shooting (not graphic):

https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-...ng-peacekeeper

Makes it even more clear, IMO, that the "peacekeeper" was not justified in shooting into a crowd.

[Maximus]

Does this mean no one will get charged or convicted

Hard to prove the rifle dude prompted action that justified being shot at

Definitely hard to say the peacekeeper sidnt fesr the rifle dude going to do what he thought