Rust: Alec Baldwin had an Old West mindset

[Bo Diddley]

15 months later, Alec Baldwin and the armorer have both been charged with involuntary manslaughter. That's what I expected. I think it's appropriate. Very sad, and you have to wonder how people are going to recover from this moving forward. I was reading the comments in the article on KSL, and was surprised at the hate leveled at Alec Baldwin.

[Non Sequitur]

15 months later, Alec Baldwin and the armorer have both been charged with involuntary manslaughter. That's what I expected. I think it's appropriate. Very sad, and you have to wonder how people are going to recover from this moving forward. I was reading the comments in the article on KSL, and was surprised at the hate leveled at Alec Baldwin.

Given this is Utah, I'm guessing the Alec Baldwin hate is mostly political.

[Bo Diddley]

Given this is Utah, I'm guessing the Alec Baldwin hate is mostly political.

Yes, the comments support this take.

[Bo Diddley]

Looks like a maximum sentence of 18 months in jail and a $5000 fine. This will not satisfy those looking for their pound of flesh. I can't imagine the costs they've already paid and will continue to pay just having to live with it.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Online comments. Lol.

[BlueK]

I doubt the evidence is enough to convict even of involuntary manslaughter.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I doubt the evidence is enough to convict even of involuntary manslaughter.

Yeah, that seems like a stretch.

[Bo Diddley]

I doubt the evidence is enough to convict even of involuntary manslaughter.

I'd be interested to hear your line of reasoning. I think the evidence is there. There's no disputing he pointed the loaded gun at her. He was also a producer. It will be interesting to hear what responsibilities he took on in that role. Since it goes to a jury, it's possible he could get someone who will refuse to vote for conviction and then a hung jury.

With the penalties as low as they are, I wonder if we might see a plea deal instead? Probably not.

[BlueK]

I'd be interested to hear your line of reasoning. I think the evidence is there. There's no disputing he pointed the loaded gun at her. He was also a producer. It will be interesting to hear what responsibilities he took on in that role. Since it goes to a jury, it's possible he could get someone who will refuse to vote for conviction and then a hung jury.

With the penalties as low as they are, I wonder if we might see a plea deal instead? Probably not.

He was told by the props person it was a cold gun. Or was that incorrect info? It would also fall into his role to practice the scene so he had a legit reason to pick it up. But yes, maybe what I heard is old/incomplete info. A judge has yet to rule on whether there is enough to even go to trial, so we'll see what happens there

MAGA folks can be scary though. There are a few who probably want the death penalty for his political opinions, though have to stop a little short of actually saying that, so this incident can do.

[Bo Diddley]

He was told by the props person it was a cold gun. Or was that incorrect info? It would also fall into his role to practice the scene so he had a legit reason to pick it up. But yes, maybe what I heard is old/incomplete info. A judge has yet to rule on whether there is enough to even go to trial, so we'll see what happens there

Yeah, who really knows? Still, pointing a gun at someone not only goes against common sense but runs counter to industry practices from what I've read.

[BlueK]

Yeah, who really knows? Still, pointing a gun at someone not only goes against common sense but runs counter to industry practices from what I've read.

True, there hasn't been very much evidence presented. But I don't see anything in this BBC article that stands out as evidence enough to convict if proven true. It doesn't even say that he was pointing it at anyone. So there must be something else or it's frivolous, imo.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64337761.amp

[Bo Diddley]

True, there hasn't been very much evidence presented. But I don't see anything in this BBC article that stands out as evidence enough to convict if proven true. It doesn't even say that he was pointing it at anyone. So there must be something else or it's frivolous, imo.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64337761.amp

Pending a ricochet, it seems clear he was pointing it at the victim.

[BlueK]

Pending a ricochet, it seems clear he was pointing it at the victim.

I read something a while back that he was actually pointing it into something else (some kind of tube or something like that)for the purpose of the camera getting a close up shot directly at the gun. The victim was standing a ways off behind the camera. It wasn't like a horseplay thing, according to what I read. I think Baldwin is an ass just as much as anyone else, but as an actor asked to rehearse/practice for a scene and told by whoever's job it was that the gun was cold and ready to be used for the practice, I don't know how that meets the standard of being negligent enough for conviction. Of course maybe the facts are different than this but if so it hasn't come out yet as far as I know.

[Commando]

Sad situation all the way around, but they would have to prove negligence. That's not happening to Alec as an actor doing his job handling what he thinks is a fake gun or gun deemed inoperable by his armorer. The armorer, good chance.

[Bo Diddley]

Sad situation all the way around, but they would have to prove negligence. That's not happening to Alec as an actor doing his job handling what he thinks is a fake gun or gun deemed inoperable by his armorer. The armorer, good chance.

This seems like a leap to me, but the I see that I'm the outlier here, the more I question whether my own experience has biased me in this case.