The Mass Shooting Thread

[MartyFunkhouser]

I own guns and have a CCW permit but I don't consider my self a "gun person" in the sense that I don't immerse in "gun culture" to the degree that some do.

I agree with USUC. Teaching general gun safety and shooting skills to a young kid using a pellet or BB long gun is perfectly reasonable. Teaching tactical carry/draw/fire/clear/reload techniques with a handgun, even if it's a toy handgun, is completely different. Youth under 18 can't legally possess a handgun in Utah, and as far as I'm aware there are no exceptions such as in the presence of their parent/guardian or at the range, so there is no point in conducting that kind of training at the age of 5 (I have no idea what state the video was filmed in).

https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title76/Ch...10-S509.4.html

Thanks to both of you. That all makes sense.

Also, don't sell yourself short, I consider you a gun person based on your description.

[BigFatMeanie]

I own guns and have a CCW permit but I don't consider my self a "gun person" in the sense that I don't immerse in "gun culture" to the degree that some do.

I agree with USUC. Teaching general gun safety and shooting skills to a young kid using a pellet or BB long gun is perfectly reasonable. Teaching tactical carry/draw/fire/clear/reload techniques with a handgun, even if it's a toy handgun, is completely different. Youth under 18 can't legally possess a handgun in Utah, and as far as I'm aware there are no exceptions such as in the presence of their parent/guardian or at the range, so there is no point in conducting that kind of training at the age of 5 (I have no idea what state the video was filmed in).

https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title76/Ch...10-S509.4.html

A minor under 18 years of age may not possess a handgun

[USUC]

I'm not a gun person. I don't understand guns. I am wondering if someone who is a gun person can explain this to me? I don't for the life of me understand why you would be teaching a 5-year old how to fire guns.

https://twitter.com/checkmatestate/s...Fid%3D30239607

In theory I don't have an issue with teaching young kids about guns. I had my son shooting a red rider bb gun with me at 5. I talked to him about the consequences of a bullet and that he should know where the barrel of a gun is at all times starting at about 5. But teaching him tactical shooting with a real firearm at best seems like a waste of time and at worst giving an underdeveloped mind just enough skill to make a very poor decision.

[MartyFunkhouser]

I'm not a gun person. I don't understand guns. I am wondering if someone who is a gun person can explain this to me? I don't for the life of me understand why you would be teaching a 5-year old how to fire guns.

https://twitter.com/checkmatestate/s...Fid%3D30239607

[Bo Diddley]

I am not saying the obit was proper, but why do so many feel compelled to pile on during such a horrible time? Hey, let's trash that family and make them feel just a little bit worse.

And you are going to imply it could be their religion's fault? Good grief.

I'm trying to highlight that both sides of the family did some weird things. It seems like a mass shooting will elicit such things. So apologies up front if any of the family frequents our site.

But the "peculiar people" thing was joke.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Grief makes people do strange, atypical things. For example, I've listened to this song about 40 times in a row between last night and this morning. (NSFW: Language): https://open.spotify.com/track/6Xxsa...420fec67824b3e

Normally, I don't obsess over music like that, but this song is scratching whatever itch I need scratched. However, trying to put lipstick on the hog of a murder/suicide guy is kinda beyond the pale. You can't spin something like that; you can't look for the good in it. As Dwight Schr-ute said on Facebook, "It doesn't work like that."

You know, if a few more of us trash the family on facebook, we can really teach these folks a lesson on how to behave in times like this.

[Jeff Lebowski]

The obit was pulled. You know, from the strange gun statement from the mother's family to the obituary praising the father, grief seems to hamper people's ability to act normally (rightly so). Or maybe we just really are a peculiar people.

I am not saying the obit was proper, but why do so many feel compelled to pile on during such a horrible time? Hey, let's trash that family and make them feel just a little bit worse.

And you are going to imply it could be their religion's fault? Good grief.

[wuapinmon]

The obit was pulled. You know, from the strange gun statement from the mother's family to the obituary praising the father, grief seems to hamper people's ability to act normally (rightly so). Or maybe we just really are a peculiar people.

Grief makes people do strange, atypical things. For example, I've listened to this song about 40 times in a row between last night and this morning. (NSFW: Language): https://open.spotify.com/track/6Xxsa...420fec67824b3e

Normally, I don't obsess over music like that, but this song is scratching whatever itch I need scratched. However, trying to put lipstick on the hog of a murder/suicide guy is kinda beyond the pale. You can't spin something like that; you can't look for the good in it. As Dwight Schr-ute said on Facebook, "It doesn't work like that."

[Bo Diddley]

The obit was pulled. You know, from the strange gun statement from the mother's family to the obituary praising the father, grief seems to hamper people's ability to act normally (rightly so). Or maybe we just really are a peculiar people.

[BigPiney]

Apparently it’s been a strange day on twitter with people upset about the obituary written for the guy that killed his family. I guess the obituary focused on his good deeds in life and not the fact he was a murderer. Plenty of weird takes and many offensive takes being posted. But this one takes the cake:

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I guess I didn’t realize the church had a gray area in terms of the evilness of violence and murder.

People complaining about the church not making a statement are really dumb.

Also that obituary was completely tone deaf. Oh good, he loved to spend time with his family when he wasn't killing them.

[Moliere]

Apparently it’s been a strange day on twitter with people upset about the obituary written for the guy that killed his family. I guess the obituary focused on his good deeds in life and not the fact he was a murderer. Plenty of weird takes and many offensive takes being posted. But this one takes the cake:

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I guess I didn’t realize the church had a gray area in terms of the evilness of violence and murder.

[MartyFunkhouser]

What in the hell is this press release from the wife's family?



They ask the media to not politicize the killings, and then go right ahead and politicize it.

Just gross.

https://ksltv.com/517011/earl-family...ence-killings/

That statement is absolutely gross.

[smokymountainrain]

[Northwestcoug]

You're definitely not an a-hole. And talking about it on a message board does not make you one, nor does wondering why they decided to inject politics into their statement. Now if you brought this up to the family, that would make you an a-hole. And then you should get a tattoo around said a-hole, and have it filmed and uploaded to YouTube.

[Bo Diddley]

At the risk of cementing any assholiness on my part for the day, let me state that I feel sad about this tragedy, and still wonder why it was necessary to inject politics into that family statement. I wouldn't have raised an eyebrow had they stopped at 'please media, do not make this into a political argument'.

You're definitely not an a-hole. And talking about it on a message board does not make you one, nor does wondering why they decided to inject politics into their statement. Now if you brought this up to the family, that would make you an a-hole. And then you should get a tattoo around said a-hole, and have it filmed and uploaded to YouTube.