Obama Favored in 2012

[BlueHair]

Sportsbook.com has Obama at -125. Palin is the next closest at +1000 (10 to 1). Romney is 11 to 1.

[Sullyute]

Sportsbook.com has Obama at -125. Palin is the next closest at +10000 (10 to 1). Romney is 11 to 1.

I just don't understand the Palin love. So are there any viable Republican candidates outside of those two? What about the governer of LA (Bobby Jindel?). I thought he was a young up and comer in the party? Are their any other GOP governers with presidential aspirations? Are the teaparty backers pushing any one person or is everyone wanting until after November to see what happens?

[BlueHair]

I just don't understand the Palin love. So are there any viable Republican candidates outside of those two? What about the governer of LA (Bobby Jindel?). I thought he was a young up and comer in the party? Are their any other GOP governers with presidential aspirations? Are the teaparty backers pushing any one person or is everyone wanting until after November to see what happens?

I've always assumed that this would be a one term president. I'm not so sure now. The GOP doesn't have a viable candidate. If Palin and Romney are they best they've got, it doesn't look good.

[beefytee]

I've always assumed that this would be a one term president. I'm not so sure now. The GOP doesn't have a viable candidate. If Palin and Romney are they best they've got, it doesn't look good.

The determining factor on a 1 term president is a double dip.

If the economy double dips, he is out. If it doesn't he will be tough to beat.

[BlueHair]

The determining factor on a 1 term president is a double dip.

If the economy double dips, he is out. If it doesn't he will be tough to beat.

I can't see Palin winning under any circumstances. If we have a double dip, I could see Romney winning if he can create the illusion that he could lead us out. People may overlook his beliefs if they think he can help the economy.

[landpoke]

Jindal screwed himself with that exorcism story and his crappy response to Obama's speech before both houses. But that will be several years behind him once the campaign hits full swing so who knows.

[RobinFinderson]

As with many other liberals, I've been unimpressed with Obama, in spite of the laughable 'liberal' label conservatives are having some success pinning to him. Health care was a step in the right direction, but will take too long to gear up. Other than that he will have to run on failing wars, a bad economy and a jaded left wing. All of that said, I still think Obama wins over Bobby J, S Palin and Mitt R. Palin is the only interesting figure of those three, but no one but her fellow nut-cases think she has what it takes to be a president. She is too stupid, and would be the ultimate sock puppet president (even more than Bush). Unless the R's can find someone better than those three, it will be another four years with Obama.

[Uncle Ted]

I just don't understand the Palin love. So are there any viable Republican candidates outside of those two? What about the governer of LA (Bobby Jindel?). I thought he was a young up and comer in the party? Are their any other GOP governers with presidential aspirations? Are the teaparty backers pushing any one person or is everyone wanting until after November to see what happens?

The republicans' Obama could be Scott Brown.

[il Padrino Ute]

I really wish someone could convince Gov. Christie to run for POTUS.

[LiveCoug]

She is too stupid, and would be the ultimate sock puppet president (even more than Bush).

As opposed to Obama?

[Uncle Ted]

As with many other liberals, I've been unimpressed with Obama, in spite of the laughable 'liberal' label conservatives are having some success pinning to him. Health care was a step in the right direction, but will take too long to gear up. Other than that he will have to run on failing wars, a bad economy and a jaded left wing. All of that said, I still think Obama wins over Bobby J, S Palin and Mitt R. Palin is the only interesting figure of those three, but no one but her fellow nut-cases think she has what it takes to be a president. She is too stupid, and would be the ultimate sock puppet president (even more than Bush). Unless the R's can find someone better than those three, it will be another four years with Obama.

Let's not forget that Obama renewed the so called patriot act and sent 35,000+ more troops to Afghanistan. The first thing he did was to order Guantanamo closed and guess what is still open. Even MoveOn has called him on his lack of an exit strategy for Afghanistan so forget that campaign promise. The heath care reform wasn't a step in the right direction given that it really doesn't nothing significant to reduce the cost of health care for individuals (insurance premiums are projected to go no where but up). I was really hoping that he would actually follow through on his promise of open government but the web site his administration put up I wouldn't even call an attempt. It is a joke. His economic policies have failed to deliver jobs other than temp ones in the public sector. He should have jumped all over the oil spill crisis and at least looked like he was trying to do something but he wasn't even smart enough to take his family to the Florida beach on vacation to help out the devastated tourist industry. He tends to jump all over any kind of racial issue before getting all the facts and making an informed decision. President Obama is just another republican but one that seems to lacks experience and intelligence.

[LA Ute]

Let's not forget that Obama renewed the so called patriot act and sent 35,000+ more troops to Afghanistan. The first thing he did was to order Guantanamo closed and guess what is still open. Even MoveOn has called him on his lack of an exit strategy for Afghanistan so forget that campaign promise. The heath care reform wasn't a step in the right direction given that it really doesn't nothing significant to reduce the cost of health care for individuals (insurance premiums are projected to go no where but up). I was really hoping that he would actually follow through on his promise of open government but the web site his administration put up I wouldn't even call an attempt. It is a joke. His economic policies have failed to deliver jobs other than temp ones in the public sector. He should have jumped all over the oil spill crisis and at least looked like he was trying to do something but he wasn't even smart enough to take his family to the Florida beach on vacation to help out the devastated tourist industry. He tends to jump all over any kind of racial issue before getting all the facts and making an informed decision. President Obama is just another republican but one that seems to lacks experience and intelligence.

I agree with you. But don't you think that other than those missteps he has done a pretty good job?

[landpoke]

The republicans' Obama could be Scott Brown.

Why the hell not? He's got as much if not more experience than Obama did at this point.

[RobinFinderson]

As opposed to Obama?

Obama isn't a sock puppet. He is that guy who wanted to please everyone, middled every situation, and managed to alienate everyone instead.

Let's not forget that Obama renewed the so called patriot act and sent 35,000+ more troops to Afghanistan. The first thing he did was to order Guantanamo closed and guess what is still open. Even MoveOn has called him on his lack of an exit strategy for Afghanistan so forget that campaign promise. The heath care reform wasn't a step in the right direction given that it really doesn't nothing significant to reduce the cost of health care for individuals (insurance premiums are projected to go no where but up). I was really hoping that he would actually follow through on his promise of open government but the web site his administration put up I wouldn't even call an attempt. It is a joke. His economic policies have failed to deliver jobs other than temp ones in the public sector. He should have jumped all over the oil spill crisis and at least looked like he was trying to do something but he wasn't even smart enough to take his family to the Florida beach on vacation to help out the devastated tourist industry. He tends to jump all over any kind of racial issue before getting all the facts and making an informed decision. President Obama is just another republican but one that seems to lacks experience and intelligence.

I agree with you that Obama now owns these wars. There was a period when he could have wound things down, but instead he ramped them up. That was the moment these stopped being Bush's wars. As for health care, I disagree with you. The reason the healthcare bill is important is because it is as big a step toward single-payer as we were able to get. There wasn't the political will to do more. But now, if the insurance companies abuse the public mandate, the taxpayers will revolt, maybe with a public option. I think the bill was pretty clever in this sense. It is a kind of ultimatum to the insurance companies -- we the public will give you a LOT of new business, much of it backed by the American tax payers, but you will also be scrutinized much closer than ever, and if you break the public's trust, you will suffer. I have come to grips with the healthcare bill. It was the best that could be done, and if the insurance companies fail to deliver, it sets up a path for the next thing.

[Goatnapper'96]

Obama isn't a sock puppet. He is that guy who wanted to please everyone, middled every situation, and managed to alienate everyone instead.



I agree with you that Obama now owns these wars. There was a period when he could have wound things down, but instead he ramped them up. That was the moment these stopped being Bush's wars. As for health care, I disagree with you. The reason the healthcare bill is important is because it is as big a step toward single-payer as we were able to get. There wasn't the political will to do more. But now, if the insurance companies abuse the public mandate, the taxpayers will revolt, maybe with a public option. I think the bill was pretty clever in this sense. It is a kind of ultimatum to the insurance companies -- we the public will give you a LOT of new business, much of it backed by the American tax payers, but you will also be scrutinized much closer than ever, and if you break the public's trust, you will suffer. I have come to grips with the healthcare bill. It was the best that could be done, and if the insurance companies fail to deliver, it sets up a path for the next thing.

You really believe those talking points that the cause of out of control health costs are those demonizing insurance companies?

The mandate to not deny based upon pre-existing issues, a good idea IMO, mixed with the tiny punitive measure/tax/fine (whatever it is called today) levied upon those who do not buy insurance and thus increase the size of the pool is going to result in outflows out of the pools without sufficient inflows in. Now I am not a smart man, but I know that is not a good situation for even a non-profit entity.

The bill extends an entitlement to the middle class that would not be neccesary if the actual cost of health care was brought back to earth. I hate conspiracy theories but this one causes me to wonder......