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  • #166
    Originally posted by Commando View Post

    Yeah this is the kind of realm where the Church needs to have a very short leash. These extremist groups are poisonous.
    My axe is well sharpened right now and it is time to use it.

    I have no dog in this fight and ultimately I don't really care what the LDS church does with this.

    I would wonder what type of message it would send if Tim Ballard remains in full fellowship with the church if all this proves true, but ultimately don't really care.

    Time to get back to grinding the axe.
    As I lead this army, make room for mistakes and depression
    --Kendrick Lamar

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    • #167
      Unless he's convicted of a felony or one of his fake OUR wives convinces an ecclesiastical authority of sexual impropriety, would the church ex him?

      Don't get me wrong, I want him ex'd. But I have very selfish reasons. My mom is still holding out hope the allegations are not true, despite me showing her the church statement and the ksl article. She dangerously verging into the 'dark evil forces are conspiring against Ballard' territory

      Maybe the new des news article will help her...
      "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
      "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
      - SeattleUte

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      • #168
        Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post
        Unless he's convicted of a felony or one of his fake OUR wives convinces an ecclesiastical authority of sexual impropriety, would the church ex him?

        Don't get me wrong, I want him ex'd. But I have very selfish reasons. My mom is still holding out hope the allegations are not true, despite me showing her the church statement and the ksl article. She dangerously verging into the 'dark evil forces are conspiring against Ballard' territory

        Maybe the new des news article will help her...
        Based on the disavowal, I almost expect him to be ex'ed for what he's done.

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        • #169
          Everyone thinks the church shouldn't excommunicate people until a church member you really dislike does something wrong.
          "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
          "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
          "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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          • #170
            Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
            Everyone thinks the church shouldn't excommunicate people until a church member you really dislike does something wrong.
            Maybe I'm biased but I don't think so. I don't think he ought to be ex'd for his grift and insinuations. If the shit about Nephi and using Elder Ballard's pull to get himself laid is ever confirmed, that would do it, I think. Especially the part about Nephi- that just screams weirdo vibes that the Church ought to keep at arms length.
            "I'm anti, can't no government handle a commando / Your man don't want it, Trump's a bitch! I'll make his whole brand go under,"

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            • #171
              Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
              Everyone thinks the church shouldn't excommunicate people until a church member you really dislike does something wrong.
              Absolutely!

              In fairness, if he's claiming Elder Ballard is approving things that Elder Ballard has not approved, it seems reasonable that the church would mete out official discipline.

              Since the CoJCoLDS rarely comments on discipline matters, Tim could already be in the discipline process and he's just counting on the Church not speaking up about it.
              "I think it was King Benjamin who said 'you sorry ass shitbags who have no skills that the market values also have an obligation to have the attitude that if one day you do in fact win the PowerBall Lottery that you will then impart of your substance to those without.'"
              - Goatnapper'96

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              • #172
                Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                Everyone thinks the church shouldn't excommunicate people until a church member you really dislike does something wrong.
                there is probably some truth to that. TB might not be the best example, however
                I'm like LeBron James.
                -mpfunk

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                • #173
                  Originally posted by smokymountainrain View Post

                  there is probably some truth to that. TB might not be the best example, however
                  What do you mean? It's a perfect example.

                  I am not saying there isn't a case for TB being exed, I am saying that people's perceptions about the appropriateness of a church excommunicating people changes significantly depending on context.
                  "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                  "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                  "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                  • #174
                    Originally posted by Pelado View Post

                    Absolutely!

                    In fairness, if he's claiming Elder Ballard is approving things that Elder Ballard has not approved, it seems reasonable that the church would mete out official discipline.

                    Since the CoJCoLDS rarely comments on discipline matters, Tim could already be in the discipline process and he's just counting on the Church not speaking up about it.
                    Well, so far the church has issued the harshest public rebuke of a member of the church that I can recall.
                    "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                    "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                    "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                    • #175
                      Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post

                      Well, so far the church has issued the harshest public rebuke of a member of the church that I can recall.
                      You would know a lot better than me if there has been harsher public rebukes. I can't think of anything more harsh, and you have pieces of shit out there like Kate Kelly and John Dehlin who haven't been rebuked worse. Of course, Ballard might actually be worse than those 2, which is saying a lot.
                      As I lead this army, make room for mistakes and depression
                      --Kendrick Lamar

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                      • #176
                        Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post

                        Well, so far the church has issued the harshest public rebuke of a member of the church that I can recall.
                        Sure, I'm referring more to his insisting (after the harsh public rebuke) that his bishop and stake president think he's great and that, as far as he knows, he's a member in good standing.
                        "I think it was King Benjamin who said 'you sorry ass shitbags who have no skills that the market values also have an obligation to have the attitude that if one day you do in fact win the PowerBall Lottery that you will then impart of your substance to those without.'"
                        - Goatnapper'96

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                        • #177
                          Originally posted by Moliere View Post
                          I always pictured alphas with their hats on backwards. At least one of them has a flat billed hat.

                          I know a lot of people that saw and loved the sound of freedom movie and I haven’t seen anyone of my friends defending TB. I guess I live in a different world than other on this site.
                          I just think a lot of the people that I know that loved the movie aren't aware of the accusations against TB. While I had a dozen or more friends post their love for TSOF movie, I haven't seen a single mention of the VICE news pieces on social media. Maybe there are a bunch of people in denial, or perhaps claiming "Fake News", but I think it's more a lack of exposure than anything. If you don't following VICE on twitter or frequent slightly edgy BYU message boards, you may have no idea what has been uncovered this week.

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                          • #178
                            Originally posted by bluegoose View Post

                            I just think a lot of the people that I know that loved the movie aren't aware of the accusations against TB. While I had a dozen or more friends post their love for TSOF movie, I haven't seen a single mention of the VICE news pieces on social media. Maybe there are a bunch of people in denial, or perhaps claiming "Fake News", but I think it's more a lack of exposure than anything. If you don't following VICE on twitter or frequent slightly edgy BYU message boards, you may have no idea what has been uncovered this week.
                            Yep. I.e. low information people.
                            "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                            "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                            "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                            • #179
                              Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post

                              Yep. I.e. low information people.
                              To be fair, people who don’t follow Vice or slightly edgy BYU message boards probably aren’t low information people, they might even have better information and about things that actually matter in life
                              "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                              • #180
                                Originally posted by Moliere View Post

                                To be fair, people who don’t follow Vice or slightly edgy BYU message boards probably aren’t low information people, they might even have better information and about things that actually matter in life
                                You left out the Deseret news.
                                "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                                "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                                "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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