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[woot]

I think this might be ad hominey, but is impelled by genuine curiousity:

If you don't believe in God, why are you so offended that Glenn Beck is "claiming the authority of God?"


(Apologies if you are not an atheist)

I'm not worried about blasphemy or anything like that. I'm worried about the shameless ways in which he manipulates his audience. It is as transparent as can be, and yet a lot of people take him seriously. That's my problem.

But I'm mostly over it by now.

[creekster]

I'm not worried about blasphemy or anything like that. I'm worried about the shameless ways in which he manipulates his audience. It is as transparent as can be, and yet a lot of people take him seriously. That's my problem.

But I'm mostly over it by now.

DO you worry about the shameless way Keith Olberman or Jon Stewart manipulate their audience? Or any news reader, for that matter. WHat you are describing is just more of the same. Of course, by invoking God in the mild and common way that he did, Beck now threatens to create a cult (you said it!) and lead these people astray. Whatever.

[woot]

DO you worry about the shameless way Keith Olberman or Jon Stewart manipulate their audience? Or any news reader, for that matter. WHat you are describing is just more of the same. Of course, by invoking God in the mild and common way that he did, Beck now threatens to create a cult (you said it!) and lead these people astray. Whatever.

You continue to completely misrepresent my position, while utilizing the same non sequitur that I called dabrockster on earlier today. If it means so much to you that you stop thinking, I'm out.

[creekster]

You continue to completely misrepresent my position, while utilizing the same non sequitur that I called dabrockster on earlier today. If it means so much to you that you stop thinking, I'm out.

I understand your frustration. I hate it when I am misrepresented by my own words too. It doesnt mean much to me at all. I think Beck is silly and I cant really stand to listen to him. But your concern is, quite frankly, laughable to me. Of course, you are young. I should know better.

[dabrockster]

I'm bothered by him, which just means that I don't watch him anymore. My wife likes to watch his show so I'll catch snipets here and there but I for sure don't seek it out.

I used to like him when he was on HLN. He took himself less seriously back then and he had on guests that were enjoyable to listen too. I didn't always agree with him back then, but he was more entertaining. He has let his influence go to his head and this has resulted in long-drawn out soliloquies that frankly bore the crap out of me and sometimes offended me as he is also manipulative. Not only that, but his soliloquies are always the same stuff so I feel like I'm watching a rerun everytime his show comes on.

I can't watch the embedded clip at work so I shouldn't have commented on it, however if he is really saying that God gave him a plan for his followers, that is part of the manipulation and is a bit scary. I don't, however, feel like the church really cares unless he starts using them in his speeches and from the sound of it he is inching there slowly. In fact, the last episode I saw he had "faith, hope and charity" in the background which was a bit odd

What is so wrong with encouraging people to have more Faith, Hope, and Charity?? And I believe he got that idea from Martin Luther King Jr. His mantra was the exact same thing during the civil right movement (Dr. Martin Luther Kings Jr. niece was on his show and spoke about this)..

He may use some words that are similar to the church for his show and as a way to get people more motivated in politics. But how is that any different then Steven R. Covey and his books or any other books done by members of the church who have used it to motivate people and gained wealth in the process.

I think woot is blowing this way out of context. He is an entertainer but seems to be molding a new type of entertainer. One with more clout I guess. But you keep looking for ways to demonize him. Whatever floats his boat..

[dabrockster]

You continue to completely misrepresent my position, while utilizing the same non sequitur that I called dabrockster on earlier today. If it means so much to you that you stop thinking, I'm out.

You know what I find pathetic. Is the constant use of claiming foul and the insertion of the "Tit-for-tat" when "yourside" is found in the same position that you are so quick to call out.

It is a lame attempt to defuse the conversation and delegitimize the argument of your opponent while still trying to hold claim to your own argument. It wreaks of hypocrisy on so many levels..

So by all means. Throw your non-sequistor foul and claim the win.. But many of us will just roll our eyes...

[Moliere]

What is so wrong with encouraging people to have more Faith, Hope, and Charity?? And I believe he got that idea from Martin Luther King Jr. His mantra was the exact same thing during the civil right movement (Dr. Martin Luther Kings Jr. niece was on his show and spoke about this)..

He may use some words that are similar to the church for his show and as a way to get people more motivated in politics. But how is that any different then Steven R. Covey and his books or any other books done by members of the church who have used it to motivate people and gained wealth in the process.

I think woot is blowing this way out of context. He is an entertainer but seems to be molding a new type of entertainer. One with more clout I guess. But you keep looking for ways to demonize him. Whatever floats his boat..

I can't believe I'm with Woot on this one but I have to admit that Beck is manipulative, even more so than Oblermann, Hannity, Maddow, and the like. Those other talking heads just give their opinion and move on (for the most part) but Beck insists on organizing and asking people to do this or that. He in essence has a following and that following is more loyal than the other talking heads. Beck seems like a genuinely nice guy, but he does not fully believe in what he is preaching but he manipulates people into thinking that he is on board with them. That is my issue with him.

[Katy Lied]

I'm not worried about blasphemy or anything like that. I'm worried about the shameless ways in which he manipulates his audience. It is as transparent as can be, and yet a lot of people take him seriously. That's my problem.

But if people are idiotic enough to believe in any god, period, don't they deserve to be hoodwinked by frauds like Glen Beck, and religious frauds like Joseph Smith, Martin Luther, Martin Luther King, Mohammed and Jesus Christ?

[woot]

You know what I find pathetic. Is the constant use of claiming foul and the insertion of the "Tit-for-tat" when "yourside" is found in the same position that you are so quick to call out.

It is a lame attempt to defuse the conversation and delegitimize the argument of your opponent while still trying to hold claim to your own argument. It wreaks of hypocrisy on so many levels..

So by all means. Throw your non-sequistor foul and claim the win.. But many of us will just roll our eyes...

I don't have a "side" to be found in the same position. As I already explained, that's one of the reasons this argument is so useless. If Obama were doing anything like this, you bet I'd be calling him out. He's not. I've never liked Sharpton or agreed with much of anything he's ever said, so accusing him of being like Beck strengthens my argument, if anything. I see why you were confused before, but please understand that not everyone is a hook-line-and-sinker partisan.

[woot]

But if people are idiotic enough to believe in any god, period, don't they deserve to be hoodwinked by frauds like Glen Beck, and religious frauds like Joseph Smith, Martin Luther, Martin Luther King, Mohammed and Jesus Christ?

No, they don't. Nor does believing in god make someone an idiot. Keep stuffing that straw man though.

[frank ryan]

Beck is nothing like King. And if his litmus test about socialism was applied King would fail. He favored redistribution of wealth. He vocally opposed the Vietnam war. When he was shot in Memphis he was helping striking government employees who were trying to unionize. Everyone likes to claim respect and reverence for King but I don't think Beck would have much use for him today.
Oh and I agree with woot Beck is a vile man and his influence on dumbing down the political discourse in this country is unfortunate

What is so wrong with encouraging people to have more Faith, Hope, and Charity?? And I believe he got that idea from Martin Luther King Jr. His mantra was the exact same thing during the civil right movement (Dr. Martin Luther Kings Jr. niece was on his show and spoke about this)..

He may use some words that are similar to the church for his show and as a way to get people more motivated in politics. But how is that any different then Steven R. Covey and his books or any other books done by members of the church who have used it to motivate people and gained wealth in the process.

I think woot is blowing this way out of context. He is an entertainer but seems to be molding a new type of entertainer. One with more clout I guess. But you keep looking for ways to demonize him. Whatever floats his boat..

[RobinFinderson]

LOL. You may be a great scientist but you havent studied poicital science if you think the use of the term elitist is an ad hominem attack. That is very amusing to me.

Look, I think I was spot on. You think I am an ignoramus. I am content to let the baord decide what they think. Happy posting!

Man, like me you just cant quit. It does not attack the person, it is the position you are taking. Look it up.

oh, an no insult was intended. I could do better than that if I wanted to insult you.,

There are all kinds of 'elitists.' You obviously aren't talking about elite athletes, or elite chess players. The word 'elitist,' in this context, has become shorthand for 'people who think they know better than us.' As such, the word is used to encourage a dismissive attitude toward the arguments of the 'elitists.' The term doesn't address any particular argument, which is why it is used so broadly. Use of the word 'elitist' to encourage a dismissive attitude toward a person's positions, without actually arguing against those positions, is the epitome of an ad hominem attack.

[RobinFinderson]

Beck is nothing like King. And if his litmus test about socialism was applied King would fail. He favored redistribution of wealth. He vocally opposed the Vietnam war. When he was shot in Memphis he was helping striking government employees who were trying to unionize. Everyone likes to claim respect and reverence for King but I don't think Beck would have much use for him today.
Oh and I agree with woot Beck is a vile man and his influence on dumbing down the political discourse in this country is unfortunate

Thanks frank ryan, this needed to be said. At the time King was assassinated, he had moved on from civil rights, in the broadest sense, to pinpoint poverty as the greatest injustice in America. He was actively opposing the Vietnam war, before it was popular to do so, and he was advocating massive social programs (redistribution of wealth) that would make it easier for the poor to lift themselves out of their poverty.

[frank ryan]

Thanks frank ryan, this needed to be said. At the time King was assassinated, he had moved on from civil rights, in the broadest sense, to pinpoint poverty as the greatest injustice in America. He was actively opposing the Vietnam war, before it was popular to do so, and he was advocating massive social programs (redistribution of wealth) that would make it easier for the poor to lift themselves out of their poverty.

I wonder if Beck told MLK's relative how much he idolized Skousen and ETB, who wanted to run on the same ticket as Strom Thurmond. King's next move was going to be the poor peoples movement. Many in his family think this is why he was picked off.

[dabrockster]

I don't have a "side" to be found in the same position. As I already explained, that's one of the reasons this argument is so useless. If Obama were doing anything like this, you bet I'd be calling him out. He's not. I've never liked Sharpton or agreed with much of anything he's ever said, so accusing him of being like Beck strengthens my argument, if anything. I see why you were confused before, but please understand that not everyone is a hook-line-and-sinker partisan.