Chicago Climate Exchange Organization

[dabrockster]

It was definitely sincere, as it was said in his choked-up, Vicks-under-the-eyes mode. I'll see if I can find a clip. It was on his radio show, as I recall.

This seems to be the clip in question.

So I am about 4 minutes in, and it is him just rambling on about what he think he is called to do. The important part is "He".. Not the church. I think he thinks he is truly called to do this (Help be a voice for the Founding Fathers and rally the people back to what he thinks they should do).

Curious. How is this any different then the civil right movement or Al Sharpton now...

[woot]

So I am about 4 minutes in, and it is him just rambling on about what he think he is called to do. The important part is "He".. Not the church. I think he thinks he is truly called to do this (Help be a voice for the Founding Fathers and rally the people back to what he thinks they should do).

Curious. How is this any different then the civil right movement or Al Sharpton now...

Why must you appeal to tit-for-tat? I don't know if Sharpton ever claimed to speak for God, and I don't care. Beck just did, and I'm wondering how you feel about that.

[Indy Coug]

Is the church a higher power than God?

Isn't it pretty well-known that he's Mormon? Clearly, his own movement takes precedent over converting everyone to Mormonism or something, but I'm still guessing that the church leadership doesn't appreciate this kind of thing. I could be wrong. Maybe TM is a big fan.

Clearly, your departure from the church has caused you to forget how it works with disciplinary action for apostasy. Beck is not redefining LDS theology and is not actively speaking out against the leaders of the church nor is he protraying himself as being one in authority speaking for the church.

[dabrockster]

Why must you appeal to tit-for-tat? I don't know if Sharpton ever claimed to speak for God, and I don't care. Beck just did, and I'm wondering how you feel about that.

How is it "tit-for-tat??

I am honestly curious? He (Sharpton) is a church abiding person who does think he is called of God to his work.. No different then Beck (Just different religion).. There seems to be a higher level of scrutiny for Beck's comments. Do I think he is looney at times. Yep. But I enjoy him at times too..

Do I think the church should step in.. No.. That is not there place. He has not spoken in behalf of the church either. They may keep him at a distance which is what they do to most outspoken members who are at a celebrity level (Though I think Beck is by far the most visible)...

[woot]

How is it "tit-for-tat??

I am honestly curious? He (Sharpton) is a church abiding person who does think he is called of God to his work.. No different then Beck (Just different religion).. There seems to be a higher level of scrutiny for Beck's comments. Do I think he is looney at times. Yep. But I enjoy him at times too..

Do I think the church should step in.. No.. That is not there place. He has not spoken in behalf of the church either. They may keep him at a distance which is what they do to most outspoken members who are at a celebrity level (Though I think Beck is by far the most visible)...

I asked about one, and you brought up another one (if it's true that he does) from the left, as if it somehow makes what Beck is doing ok. It's the same as if anyone brings up something against Palin, somebody will say Obama is no better. That's what tit-for-tat means, and it's not an effective strategy unless your interlocutor feels the same way about their guy as you do yours. Even then it's a tangent but at least perhaps a rhetorically effective one. Since Sharpton is irrelevant and doesn't have nearly the following that Beck does, that was a non sequitur.

Are you guys really so blinded by ideology that it doesn't bother you that Glenn Beck is claiming to speak for god? Who cares whether he is closer to you on the political spectrum? What he's doing is evil, and I would say the same thing if he were on the left.

[dabrockster]

I asked about one, and you brought up another one (if it's true that he does) from the left, as if it somehow makes what Beck is doing ok. It's the same as if anyone brings up something against Palin, somebody will say Obama is no better. That's what tit-for-tat means, and it's not an effective strategy unless your interlocutor feels the same way about their guy as you do yours. Even then it's a tangent but at least perhaps a rhetorically effective one. Since Sharpton is irrelevant and doesn't have nearly the following that Beck does, that was a non sequitur.

Are you guys really so blinded by ideology that it doesn't bother you that Glenn Beck is claiming to speak for god? Who cares whether he is closer to you on the political spectrum? What he's doing is evil, and I would say the same thing if he were on the left.

I think you are being a little melo-dramatic about this.. But I know why...

[Indy Coug]

Here are what appear to be the "offending" statements:

"Will you pick up the mantle left to you by the [Founding] Fathers to be the guardians of freedom? ... I believe your God will ask you 'What did you do?'"

"The plan I THINK the Lord would have us follow... is to get behind Me [meaning God]."

[Beck then echoes President Benson's sentiments about the Founding Fathers being inspired by God]

"Faith is the answer... get on your knees... turn to Him."

Seriously? This is what woot is proposing the Church discipline him for? He's stating his opinion and the most direct thing he asks/commands his listeners to do is to pray.

Man, that's some seriously dangerous stuff there.

[Moliere]

Seriously? This is what woot is proposing the Church discipline him for? He's stating his opinion and the most direct thing he asks/commands his listeners to do is to pray.

Man, that's some seriously dangerous stuff there.

No offense to woot but this is kind of like Ute fans clamoring for BYU to discipline a BYU student for breaking the HC.

[woot]

Here are what appear to be the "offending" statements:



Seriously? This is what woot is proposing the Church discipline him for? He's stating his opinion and the most direct thing he asks/commands his listeners to do is to pray.

Man, that's some seriously dangerous stuff there.

So you missed the part where he said "God is giving a plan to me... The plan that He would have me articulate, I think, to you, is..."

Yes, that is some seriously dangerous stuff. His lunacy is bad enough without trying convince his gullible audience that the crap he spews is coming from god. A lot his listeners will believe him.

[woot]

No offense to woot but this is kind of like Ute fans clamoring for BYU to discipline a BYU student for breaking the HC.

Except I did no clamoring or advocating. As I already said, maybe TM is a fan. Either way, I am that no one here seems bothered by Beck's latest.

[Indy Coug]

So you missed the part where he said "God is giving a plan to me... The plan that He would have me articulate, I think, to you, is..."

Yes, that is some seriously dangerous stuff. His lunacy is bad enough without trying convince his gullible audience that the crap he spews is coming from god. A lot his listeners will believe him.

So "The Plan" amounts to following God? Wow, that's a pretty detailed and grandiose plan right there. Actually, there are no details to "The Plan"... unless it's the delayed counsel given to pray.

Beck is very melodramatic, but he's not the one wearing the tinfoil hat here.

[Indy Coug]

When I give a talk in church I endeavor to share what God would have me talk about. I thought I was just trying to be in tune with the Spirit, but evidently I was just trying to assume the mantle of the Prophet.

[woot]

So "The Plan" amounts to following God? Wow, that's a pretty detailed and grandiose plan right there. Actually, there are no details to "The Plan"... unless it's the eventual counsel to pray.

Beck is very melodramatic, but he's not the one wearing the tinfoil hat here.

It doesn't seem important what he's advocating, just that he seems to be getting away with claiming to speak for god. He has a whole book coming out called "The Plan," and I'm guessing it'll say more than just "follow god." Although I'm sure it will have an element of "follow (my tiny, insular, paranoid, right-wing version of) god."

Maybe it's not that big of a deal, but I can't think of a more textbook example of priestcraft, not to mention blasphemy (victimless crime though that is).

[Moliere]

Either way, I am that no one here seems bothered by Beck's latest.

I'm bothered by him, which just means that I don't watch him anymore. My wife likes to watch his show so I'll catch snipets here and there but I for sure don't seek it out.

I used to like him when he was on HLN. He took himself less seriously back then and he had on guests that were enjoyable to listen too. I didn't always agree with him back then, but he was more entertaining. He has let his influence go to his head and this has resulted in long-drawn out soliloquies that frankly bore the crap out of me and sometimes offended me as he is also manipulative. Not only that, but his soliloquies are always the same stuff so I feel like I'm watching a rerun everytime his show comes on.

I can't watch the embedded clip at work so I shouldn't have commented on it, however if he is really saying that God gave him a plan for his followers, that is part of the manipulation and is a bit scary. I don't, however, feel like the church really cares unless he starts using them in his speeches and from the sound of it he is inching there slowly. In fact, the last episode I saw he had "faith, hope and charity" in the background which was a bit odd

[woot]

I'm bothered by him, which just means that I don't watch him anymore. My wife likes to watch his show so I'll catch snipets here and there but I for sure don't seek it out.

I used to like him when he was on HLN. He took himself less seriously back then and he had on guests that were enjoyable to listen too. I didn't always agree with him back then, but he was more entertaining. He has let his influence go to his head and this has resulted in long-drawn out soliloquies that frankly bore the crap out of me and sometimes offended me as he is also manipulative. Not only that, but his soliloquies are always the same stuff so I feel like I'm watching a rerun everytime his show comes on.

I can't watch the embedded clip at work so I shouldn't have commented on it, however if he is really saying that God gave him a plan for his followers, that is part of the manipulation and is a bit scary. I don't, however, feel like the church really cares unless he starts using them in his speeches and from the sound of it he is inching there slowly. In fact, the last episode I saw he had "faith, hope and charity" in the background which was a bit odd

Yeah, this clip was the first I'd seen of him in quite a while, and in reality it is pretty benign. The more sinister part, I think, is that he's gearing up for what he calls a "movement" and a "refounding" of our nation, and he's calling that movement "the plan." It seems he might be setting up his followers.

Again, maybe it's just the same old stuff, but this is also how cults get started.