No New Nukes

[SloanHater]

No I don't. I think conflict went on for years and years. I don't know if either side offered to appease the other. I am talking about appeasement that thwarted a conflict.

Please don't offer up negotiated agreements where both sides feel they get something. I am talking about one side meeting the demands of the other side in order to avoid the conflict. Kinda like England and Hitler.

I don't doubt there is an instance, I just can't think of it, but thought you might have many of them in the back of your mind.

Ah, the oft cited Hitler Appeasement. Good Play.

Since you discounted the Belfast Agreement, which by the way was an essentially one-sided 'appeasement' that led to lasting peace in N. Ireland, I'll go with a more recent 'appeasement.'

The US, and other countries, are appeasing Russia by not expanding NATO membership.

Ok. I am curious to see where this document is going?? I have a sinking suspicion that "Home Grown" terrorism is going to be the new flavor of the month..

Are you basing this on the fact that recently, 'home grown' terrorists were arrested in the Midwest?

[byu71]

Ah, the oft cited Hitler Appeasement. Good Play.

Since you discounted the Belfast Agreement, which by the way was an essentially one-sided 'appeasement' that led to lasting peace in N. Ireland, I'll go with a more recent 'appeasement.'

The US, and other countries, are appeasing Russia by not expanding NATO membership.

I did the French and Viking one first. That is hardly ever cited. Since you didn't respond, I thought I would give one you might be familiar with.

I think by now in this thread, you are smart enough to see that people can come to the conclusion Obama's decision isn't a no brainer.

[SloanHater]

I did the French and Viking one first. That is hardly ever cited. Since you didn't respond, I thought I would give one you might be familiar with.

I think by now in this thread, you are smart enough to see that people can come to the conclusion Obama's decision isn't a no brainer.

Very true. Which sadens me.

For the record, I would have applauded a similar move by W.

[byu71]

Very true. Which sadens me.

For the record, I would have applauded a similar move by W.

Like I said, I haven't come to a conclusion on the subject. I know I won't be belittled into thinking it is a good decision because "smart people" like Obama think it is. Gates seeming to be in favor gives me some comfort as he has credibility with me. I would be more comfortable if Bush supported it, because in this area he has credibility with me.

I like Obama the person, I just would rather have him in charge of the European Union or maybe President of Canada.

[beefytee]

I like Obama the person, I just would rather have him in charge of the European Union or maybe President of Canada.

http://www.rightosphere.com/blog.php...gentry_id=1167

[dabrockster]

Are you basing this on the fact that recently, 'home grown' terrorists were arrested in the Midwest?

Yes, and the recent verbage from Homeland Security about Home Grown terrorists be a large concern for them.. If this does happen (The added language I suggested) then it will be just another link for me to see them shifting their work to look more locally and local militias. I am not sure if it is good but it could be if it is inlcusive to all terrorist groups that may be operating in America (Including Islamic terrorism)..

[SloanHater]

Like I said, I haven't come to a conclusion on the subject. I know I won't be belittled into thinking it is a good decision because "smart people" like Obama think it is. Gates seeming to be in favor gives me some comfort as he has credibility with me. I would be more comfortable if Bush supported it, because in this area he has credibility with me.

I like Obama the person, I just would rather have him in charge of the European Union or maybe President of Canada.

I wasn't trying to belittle. I apologize that it came across that way. I was having a hard time understanding how the Becks/Limbaughs/Hannitys of the world could spin a step away from nuclear weapons as a bad thing.

[byu71]

I wasn't trying to belittle. I apologize that it came across that way. I was having a hard time understanding how the Becks/Limbaughs/Hannitys of the world could spin a step away from nuclear weapons as a bad thing.

No problem. I am familiar with the technique because I use it often.

I really don't know what Beck/Limbaugh or Hannity are using for spin on this thing. I just don't find any of them real credible. They mix there opinions with too much entertainment and I don't know when they are serious and when they aren't.

I can say the same for some of the local sports guys. Is this really there opinion or a ratings thing, I ask myself.

I have doubt about the plan because, I do believe people who hate you or want to take advantage of you will continue to do so until you let them know, no more. When you say "no more", you better have a way of backing it up.

I hope this isn't offensive to anyone on the board, but I also see him as someone who deals in theories, wishes and hopes instead of reality.

[SloanHater]

No problem. I am familiar with the technique because I use it often.

I really don't know what Beck/Limbaugh or Hannity are using for spin on this thing. I just don't find any of them real credible. They mix there opinions with too much entertainment and I don't know when they are serious and when they aren't.

I can say the same for some of the local sports guys. Is this really there opinion or a ratings thing, I ask myself.

I have doubt about the plan because, I do believe people who hate you or want to take advantage of you will continue to do so until you let them know, no more. When you say "no more", you better have a way of backing it up.

I hope this isn't offensive to anyone on the board, but I also see him as someone who deals in theories, wishes and hopes instead of reality.

I understand this perspective. I just see this as a move of strength and confidence, telling the world, 'Look, we have a military that can destroy you without nukes." Ask Iraq.

I also don't believe all the hype that nukes are a great deterrent. Perhaps for Israel.

[SCcoug]

I also don't believe all the hype that nukes are a great deterrent. Perhaps for Israel.

The lack of great power war since WW2 seems to suggest otherwise.

[byu71]

I understand this perspective. I just see this as a move of strength and confidence, telling the world, 'Look, we have a military that can destroy you without nukes." Ask Iraq.

I also don't believe all the hype that nukes are a great deterrent. Perhaps for Israel.

How long have we been in Afghanistan, 8 years. Apparently someone thinks we can't destroy them without nukes. I will grant you they don't seem to be afraid of our nukes either.

Of course some people remember Viet Nam, seems we lost that one too. Perhaps it really isn't about nukes, but our willingness to use all of our might whether it be nukes or conventional.

[SloanHater]

The lack of great power war since WW2 seems to suggest otherwise.

I thought we fought in Korea, Vietnam, the Balkans, Africa, Iraq x2, and 9/11. Yes, no country has directly attacked America, but nukes have hardly deterred the pursuit of war.

[SCcoug]

I thought we fought in Korea, Vietnam, the Balkans, Africa, Iraq x2, and 9/11. Yes, no country has directly attacked America, but nukes have hardly deterred the pursuit of war.

None of those wars were with great powers. Through out history great powers haven't shied away from war until nuclear deterrence.

[SloanHater]

None of those wars were with great powers. Through out history great powers haven't shied away from war until nuclear deterrence.

So you attribute the fact that there hasn't been a WWIII to the existence of nukes. I can equally attribute it to the creation of the UN.

Both are pure speculation.

[Blueintheface]

How did those nukes work in deterring 9/11? I still think this is a brillant politic move to increase the pressure on Iran/N. Korea without essential changing anything. In fact, they are cutting government spending. Conservatives rejoice!

Irrelevant Pot shot at 9/11 - check
Advocate some nonsense about an implied increase in pressure on Iran/N. Korea - check
Mock conservatives - check

Keith Olbermann couldn't have done it better.