Should the fuel tax be increased?

[myboynoah]

Raise state income taxes 20% for all I care. Folks need to understand that socialism costs real money.

Is that real enough?

[Mormon Red Death]

Here is my solution:

1. Sell State Land

2. Turn some freeways into toll roads.

3. Raise fees on state parks

[Mormon Red Death]

Here is my solution:

1. Sell State Land

2. Turn some freeways into toll roads.

3. Raise fees on state parks

Well DDD ... Here are some of my solutions. Any response?

[TripletDaddy]

Well DDD ... Here are some of my solutions. Any response?

I just saw this.

Raising fees in state parks...fine.
Convert some roads to toll roads...fine, but be prepared for greater traffic jams in other areas.
Sell state land....too vague. Sell which land and to whom?

None of these will make a big dent in the California budget deficit, however. But at least they are realistic options.

The repubs are coming around slightly. It is obvious that there is no way to do it without raising taxes, so now the question becomes "which taxes" and "how much."

[Mormon Red Death]

I just saw this.

Raising fees in state parks...fine.
Convert some roads to toll roads...fine, but be prepared for greater traffic jams in other areas.
Sell state land....too vague. Sell which land and to whom?

None of these will make a big dent in the California budget deficit, however. But at least they are realistic options.

The repubs are coming around slightly. It is obvious that there is no way to do it without raising taxes, so now the question becomes "which taxes" and "how much."

They can sell state land to developers. For example, Illinois just sold all of their tolll roads to pay off debts. Detroit is selling the tunnel to windsor to do meet its deficit. Of course once you sell it you can never sell it again in the future.

Here is an idea. Sell the ability for people to go into the carpool lane. Make it for carpoolers and whoever buys the sticker. They could also sell naming rights to state building and land

[BigPiney]

Here is an idea. Sell the ability for people to go into the carpool lane. Make it for carpoolers and whoever buys the sticker.

They are actually gong to do thatin California and are doing in already in other states. Not really as a revenue maker, but you will get some cash from it.

It is called a HOT lane, as opposed to an HOV they they are now. The cool thing about HOT lanes is that the toll is dynamic based on how close to capacity the lane it. So if you are in close to free flow and using the HOT lane would save you say 5 minutes, then the toll would be $1 or $1.50. But if the freeway is really congested and the the HOT lane is closer to reaching capacity, then the toll increases significantly, say $5 - $10.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-occupancy_toll

[Mormon Red Death]

Guess post from Freakonomics blog:

No Taxation Without Internalization
By Eric A. Morris
A Guest Post

There may be no such thing as a good tax, but if there is, it may well be the levy on gasoline. It is simple to administer and collect, it is difficult for users to avoid, it encourages fuel economy, in absolute terms, it falls more heavily on the wealthy (who tend to own more cars and drive more miles), and it puts the tax burden where it belongs: on the users of the transportation system.

Moreover, it internalizes externalities. Autos produce a number of side effects whose costs are borne by others, not the driver. These include air and water pollution, damage to roadways, harm to people and property from crashes, and congestion costs (delay) that motorists inflict on each other.

Economists generally encourage the internalization of externalities, so that actors pay the full social costs, not just the private costs, of their activities. This means the socially optimal quantity of a good will be produced.

In the case of the gas tax, internalization would mean drivers pay the full costs of the harm, such as delay, that they inflict on others. This would raise the cost of travel, meaning fewer and shorter trips.

Counting up the true monetary cost of the auto’s externalities is a very difficult proposition, and fuel taxes internalize some of those externalities (pollution) better than others (congestion). But Dubner and Levitt have presented some numbers here. Very roughly, we find that internalizing the auto’s externalities would require a gas-tax hike of around $2 per gallon.

Yeah, like that’s going to happen. Despite its many charms, the fuel tax is perhaps one of the most resented in our society. If, at a time of concern over global warming, a purported environmentalist like John McCain advocated a gas-tax “holiday,” fuel-tax fans know they’re in trouble.

The irony is that even as the fuel tax is increasingly perceived as a burden, its true bite has been slowly dropping over time. According to Brian Taylor at U.C.L.A.’s Institute of Transportation Studies, California’s fuel tax would have to be increased by about a dollar a gallon to return to the real per-mile rate in effect in the 1950’s.

The fuel tax is atrophying because it is not indexed to inflation, because fuel economy has improved (though this is clearly a good thing in other ways), and because elected officials lack the political will to vote for frequent rate increases. In fact, they have found a rather puzzling solution to the problem: subsidize automakers and farmers to produce fuels and vehicles that will reduce gasoline use, while at the same time letting the gas tax wither, giving consumers a financial incentive to increase gasoline use.

Transportation improvements are increasingly paid for through hikes in sales taxes, which have none of the gas tax’s charms: they are regressive and are detached from use of the transportation system (none of those nifty internalization effects). From an economist’s perspective, society is actually regressing toward an even more inefficient outcome.

What’s responsible for the gas tax’s P.R. problems? True, the tax is a financial burden, but in the big picture, spending on fuel is a very small percentage of household expenditures (according to the Consumer Expenditure Survey, less than 5 percent).

Moreover, consumers in many nations that are considerably less wealthy than the U.S. pay far higher fuel taxes. The total levy in Britain approaches $4 per gallon, as opposed to a national average rate of around 50 cents here — and British civilization is not crashing to the ground. (On the other hand, over 40 nations, largely in the developing world, actually subsidize fuel. This seems like questionable public policy: poor nations devote precious resources to encouraging comparatively wealthy drivers to congest the roads and foul the air.)

Finally, while voters vehemently oppose fuel-tax increases, they seem happy enough to vote those sales-tax hikes on themselves (we just passed one in Los Angeles County).

Perhaps there are some peculiar psychological dynamics at work. A half-cent increase in the sales tax sounds inconsequentially small, while a five- to ten-cent increase in the gas tax (which, depending on the state, would produce around the same amount of revenue) sounds more onerous. Obviously, the sales tax falls on a much broader base, but the vast majority of voters are not inclined to perform this mental calculus.

Another issue may be that the gas price is perhaps the single most visible price in our economy. No other industry posts large and ubiquitous signs throughout cities that sear its prices into our brains. It’s a bit of a game for bored drivers to be on the lookout for cheap gas and to note every fluctuation in prices.

Moreover, gas prices are quite volatile, making the “check out the latest gas price” diversion even more exciting. Thus increases in gas prices are big news, while if the price of a Big Mac were to rise 10 cents, relatively few would even notice.

Resistance to the gas tax has caused problems beyond the externalities issue. The gradual sunset of the revenue stream has left state departments of transportation scrambling to maintain the current transportation system, let alone expand it. Thus there is a movement toward alternate forms of revenue generation.

Early experiments with variable tolling (highway tolls are set according to congestion levels) have been promising. This may be combined with privatization (private firms build/operate toll roads), which is getting serious discussion and has even been put into effect in a few cities.

Few relish the thought of paying tolls and many are suspicious of private-sector encroachment into what has traditionally been a public responsibility. But since we are unwilling to tax fuel more heavily, this path may be inevitable.

If this situation doesn’t appeal to you, don’t worry, there is hope: you can always move to Europe.