April 2020 General Conference - Global Pandemic Edition

[old_gregg]

I've seen multiple people criticize the FP and Q12 as being "out of touch" and "insulated from the goings on of the real world" the past few days. My understanding is that these men travel more miles, visit more places on the planet, meet with more people of all ages, races, socio-economic, education, and other backgrounds, see more of governments and nations, discuss more problems, and understand the workings of the world more than 99.999% of other people on the planet.

Can someone explain to me what, exactly, makes them out of touch? Frankly, from my perspective the FP/Q12 seem way more in touch with the goings on of the real world than message board warriors who whine about the messages from the FP/Q12 not penetrating their own personal cocoon of expectations/desires.

there's not really a way to say this without sounding like i'm throwing shade, and i truly am not, but here goes: you think a bunch of retired, geriatric white men, many of whom have spent the preceding decades in church administration rather than punching a clock (and a number of whom are ces lifers who never really participated in the workforce at all), flying on private planes to attend carefully curated social events sponsored by people whose goal it is to impress them (whether or not they're members), and then discussing their impressions from those carefully curated social events among themselves and with a staff of people who take below market compensation because of their sincerely held belief that they are furthering the work of god as filtered through the people they support, are connected with the struggles of the dead average american, much less the people on the margins of society (lgbtq+, intersectional minorities, women, addicts, etc.)? i disagree, and i think actions and policies bear that out.

[MartyFunkhouser]

I started reading this thread. This thread is boring.

[BigFatMeanie]

I've seen multiple people criticize the FP and Q12 as being "out of touch" and "insulated from the goings on of the real world" the past few days. My understanding is that these men travel more miles, visit more places on the planet, meet with more people of all ages, races, socio-economic, education, and other backgrounds, see more of governments and nations, discuss more problems, and understand the workings of the world more than 99.999% of other people on the planet.

Can someone explain to me what, exactly, makes them out of touch? Frankly, from my perspective the FP/Q12 seem way more in touch with the goings on of the real world than message board warriors who whine about the messages from the FP/Q12 not penetrating their own personal cocoon of expectations/desires.

[Walter Sobchak]

We were all hoping for a return of Stake Roadshows so the disappointment is understandable.

Amen! Are TV shows such as Dancing With The Stars, American Idol, et al popular with the youth? or should we stick with the Amish-themed trek?

[HBCoug]

I can't wait until our fast this Friday kills COVID-19 and you doubting Thomas types have to eat your words.

Fast 2.0: This time we're super cereal! Y'all basically ended the droughts in Australia a while back, so I have no doubt I'll be browsing CS back at work in no time.

[tooblue]

It says a lot about how he got started out the gate that he can announce temples in Dubai and China, and the next day we are talking about being frustrated that the changes aren't earth-changing enough.

Agreed. It was an incredible moment when he announced those two temples, and explained exactly how the Shanghai temple would work.

[Omaha 680]

Not proud of it, but I sat it out while the missus participated. The Hosanna Utterance, in the privacy of my own home, just didn't move me. It would make more sense to duplicate my reaction with Luke Staley went down the sideline for six, followed by joyous high fives for all around me.

I participated, mainly because my four year old thought it was the greatest thing ever done at church. He shouted loud enough to make up for everyone here.

[YOhio]

It says a lot about how he got started out the gate that he can announce temples in Dubai and China, and the next day we are talking about being frustrated that the changes aren't earth-changing enough.

We were all hoping for a return of Stake Roadshows so the disappointment is understandable.

[All-American]

This proves the point I made in the second post. In his first talk he said something about "important announcements". That's it. Now we are all "frustrated" because the things that were announced aren't earth-changing enough? Come on.

He has been the prophet for a total of 26 months and has instituted more changes than the prior several prophets combined. But I guess he is now a victim of elevated expectations due to the fast pace he established out of the gate.

This guy is profane, but he makes me laugh.

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It says a lot about how he got started out the gate that he can announce temples in Dubai and China, and the next day we are talking about being frustrated that the changes aren't earth-changing enough.

[Topper]

The hyping of name changes, or logos and then deflecting that “why do you think there should be major changes all the time?” is the second most frustrating thing about this presidency. The first being the horrible 2 hour church.

You think it should be one hour?

[YOhio]

I can't wait until our fast this Friday kills COVID-19 and you doubting Thomas types have to eat your words.

[old_gregg]

to be fair, the logo and proclamation probably were big deals in the same way it would be a big deal to change the scotch tape logo. big deal for the product team at 3m, not a big deal to anybody else in the world. there were probably thousands of q12 hours involved and dozens of versions of the proclamation and millions of dollars spent on the new logo. is it a surprise to anyone that a bunch of people who are largely insulated from the goings on of the real world viewed this as something monumental?

[Jeff Lebowski]

The hyping of name changes, or logos and then deflecting that “why do you think there should be major changes all the time?” is the second most frustrating thing about this presidency. The first being the horrible 2 hour church.

This proves the point I made in the second post. In his first talk he said something about "important announcements". That's it. Now we are all "frustrated" because the things that were announced aren't earth-changing enough? Come on.

He has been the prophet for a total of 26 months and has instituted more changes than the prior several prophets combined. But I guess he is now a victim of elevated expectations due to the fast pace he established out of the gate.

This guy is profane, but he makes me laugh.

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[Bo Diddley]

Interestingly enough - while we were invited to fast and others were invited to join us, I don't recall one word being said about paying an offering. We're certainly not sending the YM around door to door to collect anything. I suspect that some folks will pay an offering along with their fast. it honestly didn't cross my mind that money would be collected.

In fact - what stood out to me more than anything were his words along the lines of 2 meals / 24 hours being customary - but for each of us to decide what would constitute a sacrifice for us. Since I've been doing more intermittent fasting, 2 meals or 24 hours isn't much of a sacrifice - or at least doesn't feel like one. I probably would've done that twice this week without his invite. So - what would be a sacrifice for me? I find myself contemplating either a longer fast or giving up something besides food.

Thanks. I do the same wrt IF. Perhaps after all is said and done, I'll actually feel like donating more FO or give to someone I see in need as a part of it.

[SCcoug]

Interestingly enough - while we were invited to fast and others were invited to join us, I don't recall one word being said about paying an offering. We're certainly not sending the YM around door to door to collect anything. I suspect that some folks will pay an offering along with their fast. it honestly didn't cross my mind that money would be collected.

In fact - what stood out to me more than anything were his words along the lines of 2 meals / 24 hours being customary - but for each of us to decide what would constitute a sacrifice for us. Since I've been doing more intermittent fasting, 2 meals or 24 hours isn't much of a sacrifice - or at least doesn't feel like one. I probably would've done that twice this week without his invite. So - what would be a sacrifice for me? I find myself contemplating either a longer fast or giving up something besides food.

Yeah the food part is a piece of cake for 24+ hour fast it's the water component that is tricky.