Mormon WikiLeaks (MormonLeaks)

[Sleeping in EQ]

Some day the home teaching program may have to change if a 14 year-old is mistreated by his senior companion.

[smokymountainrain]

yup. everywhere else we want at least two men where kids are involved, but on that one they specifically assign one kid to one adult and have them go out together alone.

[Moliere]

I've been in 5 wards in the last 17 years, both in and out of utah - every one of them has had the two primary teachers rule/guideline - whatever. funny hearing you guys say this is a new thing and that some don't do this.

I only really have one ward to compare, but we almost never team up women in primary mainly because we don’t have the personnel willing to serve in primary to cover every class with two people. The result is more women serving in primary, or couples covering the larger primary classes.


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[Topper]

Some day the home teaching program may have to change if a 14 year-old is mistreated by his senior companion.

Will the robots that perform this be gender neutral?

[Eddie]

...

You don't need a Savior's blood. You do need a Savior to remind you that you cannot act as you wish because your actions ripple through this world, and guilt about bad things you've done serve to remind you to make amends. You don't need forgiveness from God to enter his kingdom; he created you and let you get put into situations, knowing full well that you would sin if you did, since he's omniscient and all. You do need forgiveness from those who you've wronged, and you need to forgive yourself. Sometimes only time can do that. Years will pass, and eventually shit that seemed to matter, intensely, to you will seem foolish. That's forgiveness. That's wisdom. That's maturity. That's the Gospel of Jesus Christ. If God is our Father, even though he made us from dust and spit, he'll forgive us for anything, so long as we try and be good. There's no need to go killing Jesus and drinking his blood and eating his flesh and all that other controlling, 10%, Weberian, Corporation of the President and not a Church stuff.

I tend to believe that so much of what we have to go on here on earth revolves around faith. And while there is a lot of doctrine that gets flung around, ultimately (to me, at least) it comes down to the very basic concept of a) do you believe that God exists?, and b) if he does exist, do you trust him?

And that's it. And I've decided that I do believe He exists (though I admit to not knowing what that looks like all the time), and I've decided that if He is God, and if I believe He cares about me - and the rest of humanity - then I have to trust Him. And that's it.

So I trust Him that there will be punishment for those who deserve it - whether that be in this life or the next. And I trust Him that He will be fair. And I trust Him that He knows more about what's going on and what needs to happen - and He knows what He's doing when He either decides to intervene or decides not to. And I've seen times when both have happened - times when I know He intervened, and times when I wish He would've but He didn't.

When I find myself getting caught up in moments like this - with questions about why did God allow this person who was in a position of authority do bad things, why weren't they stopped, why wasn't it revealed when he was called, or so many other "why" questions - I always come back to this one thought - that I really think goes well with what I highlighted in Wuap's quote above.

If we believe that existence is eternal - and that our spirits or intelligences or whatever have been around forever before this life and will exist forever after this life - then EVERYTHING we think and do right now is based on a very limited amount of knowledge. And things that we might think are a pretty big deal right now - may ultimately prove to not be a big deal at all. Things that we may perceive as immensely harmful right now - He may see as akin to kids on the playground skinning a knee or scraping their hand from a fall on the sidewalk. Some injuries might be more serious - like a broken bone from falling from a swing. But he may see them in a very different light than we do.

I know someone is going to misconstrue this and interpret it as if I'm saying that these harms are no big deal. And that is certainly NOT what I'm saying. I've worked in Child Protective Services and currently work in the Foster Care System. I've seen some of the worst of the worst when it comes to abuse and neglect of children - of all kinds. From my perspective we are responsible to do everything within our power to protect children from harm.

I'm simply saying that God has a much more eternal perspective than we do, and has a much better understanding of why he allows things to happen. We try to explain it in a way that makes sense to us - but the reality is that maybe it never will. At least never while we're here in the midst of Earth life. This is such a short tiny blip on the timeline of eternity.

I remember once taking my 6 month old child for a doctor's visit and seeing her cry out in pain as the doctor gave her an immunization - and then look up at me as if to ask "why did you let this happen to me! Why did you let them hurt me like this!" And all I could think was that she doesn't understand it now, but she needs those immunizations. Later I wondered if God doesn't have a similar thought as he hears us ask him "why did you let this happen to me?" I don't want this to be construed as if I'm saying that abuse and neglect are like immunizations. I'm simply saying that just like my 6 month old daughter didn't, and wasn't capable of, understanding. We may not have the perspective that allows us to be capable of understanding either.

So I stick with faith. And I do my best to trust in God. That HE knows why He allows these things to happen. And that has to be enough for me, at least for now.

[RC Vikings]

I tend to believe that so much of what we have to go on here on earth revolves around faith. And while there is a lot of doctrine that gets flung around, ultimately (to me, at least) it comes down to the very basic concept of a) do you believe that God exists?, and b) if he does exist, do you trust him?

And that's it. And I've decided that I do believe He exists (though I admit to not knowing what that looks like all the time), and I've decided that if He is God, and if I believe He cares about me - and the rest of humanity - then I have to trust Him. And that's it.

So I trust Him that there will be punishment for those who deserve it - whether that be in this life or the next. And I trust Him that He will be fair. And I trust Him that He knows more about what's going on and what needs to happen - and He knows what He's doing when He either decides to intervene or decides not to. And I've seen times when both have happened - times when I know He intervened, and times when I wish He would've but He didn't.

When I find myself getting caught up in moments like this - with questions about why did God allow this person who was in a position of authority do bad things, why weren't they stopped, why wasn't it revealed when he was called, or so many other "why" questions - I always come back to this one thought - that I really think goes well with what I highlighted in Wuap's quote above.

If we believe that existence is eternal - and that our spirits or intelligences or whatever have been around forever before this life and will exist forever after this life - then EVERYTHING we think and do right now is based on a very limited amount of knowledge. And things that we might think are a pretty big deal right now - may ultimately prove to not be a big deal at all. Things that we may perceive as immensely harmful right now - He may see as akin to kids on the playground skinning a knee or scraping their hand from a fall on the sidewalk. Some injuries might be more serious - like a broken bone from falling from a swing. But he may see them in a very different light than we do.

I know someone is going to misconstrue this and interpret it as if I'm saying that these harms are no big deal. And that is certainly NOT what I'm saying. I've worked in Child Protective Services and currently work in the Foster Care System. I've seen some of the worst of the worst when it comes to abuse and neglect of children - of all kinds. From my perspective we are responsible to do everything within our power to protect children from harm.

I'm simply saying that God has a much more eternal perspective than we do, and has a much better understanding of why he allows things to happen. We try to explain it in a way that makes sense to us - but the reality is that maybe it never will. At least never while we're here in the midst of Earth life. This is such a short tiny blip on the timeline of eternity.

I remember once taking my 6 month old child for a doctor's visit and seeing her cry out in pain as the doctor gave her an immunization - and then look up at me as if to ask "why did you let this happen to me! Why did you let them hurt me like this!" And all I could think was that she doesn't understand it now, but she needs those immunizations. Later I wondered if God doesn't have a similar thought as he hears us ask him "why did you let this happen to me?" I don't want this to be construed as if I'm saying that abuse and neglect are like immunizations. I'm simply saying that just like my 6 month old daughter didn't, and wasn't capable of, understanding. We may not have the perspective that allows us to be capable of understanding either.

So I stick with faith. And I do my best to trust in God. That HE knows why He allows these things to happen. And that has to be enough for me, at least for now.

Thanks for that.

[Northwestcoug]

Scott. Real baller that Scott. The dad from that movie still pops up on TV now and then. And occasionally in a movie.

We were watching the 'Office' episode last night where Pam and Jim get married, and guess who was Pam's father?

[Donuthole]

We were watching the 'Office' episode last night where Pam and Jim get married, and guess who was Pam's father?

Swish!

[RC Vikings]

Someone tell me my mission president... August 1978. Our little group going to Oklahoma consisted of Elder Nelson, Elder Oliver, and Elder Green and myself.

If you went through SLC it was Pres Bird. Tried to scare the hell out of everybody.

[Pelado]

I tend to believe that so much of what we have to go on here on earth revolves around faith. And while there is a lot of doctrine that gets flung around, ultimately (to me, at least) it comes down to the very basic concept of a) do you believe that God exists?, and b) if he does exist, do you trust him?

And that's it. And I've decided that I do believe He exists (though I admit to not knowing what that looks like all the time), and I've decided that if He is God, and if I believe He cares about me - and the rest of humanity - then I have to trust Him. And that's it.

So I trust Him that there will be punishment for those who deserve it - whether that be in this life or the next. And I trust Him that He will be fair. And I trust Him that He knows more about what's going on and what needs to happen - and He knows what He's doing when He either decides to intervene or decides not to. And I've seen times when both have happened - times when I know He intervened, and times when I wish He would've but He didn't.

When I find myself getting caught up in moments like this - with questions about why did God allow this person who was in a position of authority do bad things, why weren't they stopped, why wasn't it revealed when he was called, or so many other "why" questions - I always come back to this one thought - that I really think goes well with what I highlighted in Wuap's quote above.

If we believe that existence is eternal - and that our spirits or intelligences or whatever have been around forever before this life and will exist forever after this life - then EVERYTHING we think and do right now is based on a very limited amount of knowledge. And things that we might think are a pretty big deal right now - may ultimately prove to not be a big deal at all. Things that we may perceive as immensely harmful right now - He may see as akin to kids on the playground skinning a knee or scraping their hand from a fall on the sidewalk. Some injuries might be more serious - like a broken bone from falling from a swing. But he may see them in a very different light than we do.

I know someone is going to misconstrue this and interpret it as if I'm saying that these harms are no big deal. And that is certainly NOT what I'm saying. I've worked in Child Protective Services and currently work in the Foster Care System. I've seen some of the worst of the worst when it comes to abuse and neglect of children - of all kinds. From my perspective we are responsible to do everything within our power to protect children from harm.

I'm simply saying that God has a much more eternal perspective than we do, and has a much better understanding of why he allows things to happen. We try to explain it in a way that makes sense to us - but the reality is that maybe it never will. At least never while we're here in the midst of Earth life. This is such a short tiny blip on the timeline of eternity.

I remember once taking my 6 month old child for a doctor's visit and seeing her cry out in pain as the doctor gave her an immunization - and then look up at me as if to ask "why did you let this happen to me! Why did you let them hurt me like this!" And all I could think was that she doesn't understand it now, but she needs those immunizations. Later I wondered if God doesn't have a similar thought as he hears us ask him "why did you let this happen to me?" I don't want this to be construed as if I'm saying that abuse and neglect are like immunizations. I'm simply saying that just like my 6 month old daughter didn't, and wasn't capable of, understanding. We may not have the perspective that allows us to be capable of understanding either.

So I stick with faith. And I do my best to trust in God. That HE knows why He allows these things to happen. And that has to be enough for me, at least for now.

I'll probably think more about this post this weekend than anything said from the conference center.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Great post, Eddie. Thank you.

BTW, my wife is taking a religion class at BYU on the Restoration. Instructor is Anthony Sweat. He does a fantastic job - I am very impressed how thorough he is regarding multiple accounts of the first vision, seer stones, polygamy, etc. Recently they had an apostle from the RLDS church come and speak to the class. In the follow up to that lecture, they discussed the fake JSIII blessing document that Mark Hoffman created. She and I were discussing that and had the following convo:

Me: "Did you know that some people lost faith over those fake documents?"
Her: "Why?"
Me: "They thought a prophet of god should not have been duped."
Her: "Really? They think he is a mindreader?"
Me: "Something like that I guess. Some of these same folks are upset that the Bishop guy was called to be the MTC leader, given that callings are supposed to be guided by inspiration."
Her: "Wow. What about this guy's agency? Do they think he was predestined to do those things?"

I just shrugged my shoulders and left it at that.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Abused woman officially files suit against the LDS church.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2018/04/05/woman-sues-the-lds-church-for-what-she-says-was-abuse-by-missionary-training-center-president/

Her name is McKenna Denson.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Abused woman officially files suit against the LDS church.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2018/04/05/woman-sues-the-lds-church-for-what-she-says-was-abuse-by-missionary-training-center-president/

Her name is McKenna Denson.

How does this possibly fit within the statute of limitations?

[Pelado]

How does this possibly fit within the statute of limitations?

I'm not sure how statute of limitations works in a civil case. If it matters, then she's probably basing the case on more recent actions or inactions (Church not investigating Bishop, etc.) to fall within the statute.

[Topper]

I'm not sure how statute of limitations works in a civil case. If it matters, then she's probably basing the case on more recent actions or inactions (Church not investigating Bishop, etc.) to fall within the statute.

In these cases, courts have used creative means to extend the statutes of limitations. A fair and reasonable interpretation would not consider the cases to remain alive, but "bad facts make bad law."