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  • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    BYU is not going to completely drop the Honor Code. They will make some adjustments and some people won't be satisfied but life will go on and some other issue will take its place. This is a complex issue that deserves a measured, careful analysis. I am happy that Kevin Worthen is at the helm now as I think he has just the right temperament to deal with this in a productive way.
    Swish.

    This e-mail was sent today:

    To: All Students, Faculty and Staff
    From: Jan Scharman, BYU Student Life Vice President
    Subject: Update on Sexual Assault Study; Request for Your Feedback

    Last month, President Worthen announced that BYU would study the sexual assault reporting process and structure under Title IX at the university. He reiterated his and the university’s concern for the well-being and safety of all of our students. He also emphasized that we are listening to the concerns expressed about the reporting of sexual assaults to our Title IX Office.

    President Worthen asked me to chair the group that would spearhead this study. He outlined two primary goals for our group, the Advisory Council on Campus Response to Sexual Assault:

    Identify changes that will help BYU work toward the elimination of sexual assault on campus.
    Determine how to better handle the reporting process for victims of sexual assault as sensitively and compassionately as possible consistent with the requirements of the Department of Education’s Title IX program.
    As the university has already stated, we are specifically looking at potential structural changes within the university, the process for determining whether and how information is used, and the relationship between the Title IX Office and the Honor Code Office.

    Over the last month we have reviewed feedback from students, faculty, staff, alumni and others, as well as the comments that were delivered to BYU on April 20.

    Your Feedback
    This morning we launched a website to obtain additional feedback from you and others on matters related to sexual assault. This website – feedback2016.byu.edu – is open to all, and feedback is anonymous. We appreciate and value all input.

    The information that is gathered from this website will be an important component of a thorough and comprehensive study. The members of the advisory council were chosen for their experience, expertise and concern for every student at BYU. They have a deep commitment to preserving a safe campus environment where there is zero tolerance for sexual assault.

    Advisory Council
    As the Vice President for Student Life, I have been asked to lead this council. I have served as dean of students at BYU and am a licensed psychologist, with a doctoral degree from the University of Utah in counseling psychology.

    There are three other members of the advisory council:
    Dr. Julie Valentine, a BYU nursing professor whose research focuses on sexual assault and violence against women.
    Dr. Ben Ogles, the dean of BYU’s College of Family, Home and Social Sciences, who came to BYU from Ohio University, where he served as chair and director of clinical training in the Department of Psychology.
    Dr. Sandra Rogers, the International Vice President at BYU and a former dean of the BYU College of Nursing.
    This group has called and will continue to call upon others inside and outside the university to provide added perspective and insight. I assure you that this advisory council will study every part of the sexual assault reporting process at BYU. Thank you for your ongoing faith and effort to help in this commitment.
    Corresponding article in the DesNews:

    http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8...s-website.html

    The four-member Advisory Council on Campus Response to Sexual Assault includes Julie Valentine, a sexual assault nurse examiner and BYU nursing professor with a rising public profile because of her research. She has reported that rape is under-prosecuted in Utah and that fewer than a quarter of rape kits in Utah are sent to the state crime lab.

    She has a reputation for plain speaking. "I'm very honest, and I won't hold back," Valentine said. "I call it like I see it."
    Perfect way to handle it. Get the right people involved (including mostly women on the committee). Go slowly and carefully and be thorough and comprehensive. God bless Kevin Worthen.
    Last edited by Jeff Lebowski; 05-19-2016, 02:36 PM.
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      • Originally posted by mpfunk View Post
        I think your swish should be reserved until we see what changes are made. I think ultimately, your swish will be earned. With the church's unofficial PR wing already releasing an article praising non-BYU BYU's (SVU) sexual assault policy, it is just a matter of time until BYU implements a similar policy.

        EDIT: One thing that appears to be a huge mistake and could be a possible sign that your swish isn't warranted is that the head of the committee provided oversight to the HCO for 20 years. That doesn't give me confidence in her abilities at all.
        I am applauding the process. Unlike your repeated assertion, it is not a trivial black/white issue and should be explored carefully and thoroughly.
        "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
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        • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
          I am applauding the process. Unlike your repeated assertion, it is not a trivial black/white issue and should be explored carefully and thoroughly.
          It's sounds good enough to me that I'm highly optimistic they'll make appropriate changes. I also think this may be something that needs to be revisited as I don't there is a perfect solution.

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          • Originally posted by mpfunk View Post

            EDIT: One thing that appears to be a huge mistake and could be a possible sign that your swish isn't warranted is that the head of the committee provided oversight to the HCO for 20 years. That doesn't give me confidence in her abilities at all.
            This is a huge warning signal. Hopefully, the others can override this person.
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            • I think it's a good start, and it's good news about something that has been very bad news.
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                Last edited by MartyFunkhouser; 09-13-2016, 09:39 AM.
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                • I am starting to think that BYU students shouldn't talk to the HCO without their lawyer present. Maybe mpfunk could do some pro bono work and represent them.
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                  • Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
                    I am starting to think that BYU students shouldn't talk to the HCO without their lawyer present. Maybe mpfunk could do some pro bono work and represent them.
                    Maybe an ACLU attorney could get a standing injunction against the HCO to prevent the HCO from operating. It would be wonderful if the HCO had nothing to do but process ecclesiastical endorsements.
                    Last edited by Topper; 05-20-2016, 10:57 AM.
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                    • Originally posted by Topper View Post
                      Maybe an ACLU could get a standing injunction against the HCO to prevent the HCO from operating. It would be wonderful if the HCO had nothing to do but process ecclesiastical endorsements.
                      Ha!
                      Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

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                      • Originally posted by Topper View Post
                        Maybe an ACLU could get a standing injunction against the HCO to prevent the HCO from operating. It would be wonderful if the HCO had nothing to do but process ecclesiastical endorsements.
                        "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                        The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                        • Originally posted by mpfunk View Post
                          http://www.sltrib.com/news/3897390-1...d-sex-assaults

                          Asking rape victims what they were wearing? Are you kidding me?

                          Byu might want to make some interim changes while the council is working on this.



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                          • Originally posted by cougjunkie View Post
                            wow, that is strongly worded
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                            • Originally posted by old_gregg View Post
                              wow, that is strongly worded
                              And if true, shows a real lack of professionalism and competency on the part of the trib reporters.
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                              • Originally posted by Moliere View Post
                                And if true, shows a real lack of professionalism and competency on the part of the trib reporters.
                                Trib? Unprofessional? Incompetent?

                                Naaahhhh........
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