Just wanted to give '71 another reason to complain about the Honor Code

[Moliere]

So Jan Scharman (student life vp) is retiring. One of the leading candidates to replace her is current Dean of Student Life Sarah “BYU won’t apologize for the chilling effect” Westerberg. Only at BYU.

Never heard of her. Got more deets?

[ScoopJahoop]

Never heard of her. Got more deets?

She figures prominently in the original article that prompted this thread. She was the Title IX coordinator when all of this was happening and famously said that BYU would not apologize for the chilling effect that honor code office involvement in sexual assault cases had on victims reporting. She has since been promoted to dean and is being considered for vp.

[ScoopJahoop]

https://www.sltrib.com/news/educatio...s-alumni-call/

This is kicking off again

[Uncle Ted]

https://www.sltrib.com/news/educatio...s-alumni-call/

This is kicking off again

I didn't know there was a safe count limit with regards to touching... Good to know.

“She asked questions about my underwear,” Draughon recalled. “She asked, ‘Where did he touch you and how many times?’ She wanted to know everything.”

[Surfah]

https://www.sltrib.com/news/educatio...s-alumni-call/

This is kicking off again

I want to always believe victims, but this story is causing some abnormal readings on my BS meter.

[old_gregg]

I want to always believe victims, but this story is causing some abnormal readings on my BS meter.

if even 1/10 of those stories are true, the hco should be immediately disbanded. i mean, it should anyway. but for this too.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Response from BYU HCO to recent social media discussions:

https://news.byu.edu/news/q-kevin-ut...or-code-office

The vast majority of students involved in Honor Code cases remain fully enrolled in the university. On average, between 10 and 15 students are expelled from the university each year from a population of 33,000 students, although the number is lower in the past 12 months.

The HCO does not investigate anonymous reports, except where the reported behavior could impact the physical safety of members of our campus community.

Most people don't understand this one:

Ecclesiastical leaders are NOT permitted to reveal confessional conversations to the HCO unless the student has voluntarily signed a privacy waiver. A bishop does not share any information with the HCO, and the HCO does not share any information with a bishop or other ecclesiastical leader without a student’s prior written consent. The HCO respects a student’s right not to give written consent if they do not want to do so.

[BigPiney]

Response from BYU HCO to recent social media discussions:

https://news.byu.edu/news/q-kevin-ut...or-code-office





Most people don't understand this one:

My son knows 2 of those that were suspended from the school. One was his room mate for a few weeks.

I think the HCO needs some fundamental change.

[MartyFunkhouser]

Ecclesiastical leaders are NOT permitted to reveal confessional conversations to the HCO unless the student has voluntarily signed a privacy waiver. A bishop does not share any information with the HCO, and the HCO does not share any information with a bishop or other ecclesiastical leader without a student’s prior written consent. The HCO respects a student’s right not to give written consent if they do not want to do so.

That sounds good in theory, but how does it end up working in practice? A Bishop has a lot of power to compel someone to sign a privacy waiver. A Bishop could condition an ecclesiastical endorsement on a privacy waiver and working things out with the HCO. I'm willing to give the vast majority of the bishops at BYU the benefit of the doubt that they wouldn't do that, but they can.

On the other hand, it is complete bullshit that the HCO respects a students right not to give written consent. I have no doubt that the default if consent isn't given is to suspend or kick a student out of school. The HCO has not earned the benefit of the doubt.

[Bo Diddley]

Response from BYU HCO to recent social media discussions:

https://news.byu.edu/news/q-kevin-ut...or-code-office





Most people don't understand this one:

So why go confess to the Bishop if you're not repentant enough to face all the consequences of your actions?

[Jeff Lebowski]

That sounds good in theory, but how does it end up working in practice? A Bishop has a lot of power to compel someone to sign a privacy waiver. A Bishop could condition an ecclesiastical endorsement on a privacy waiver and working things out with the HCO. I'm willing to give the vast majority of the bishops at BYU the benefit of the doubt that they wouldn't do that, but they can.

On the other hand, it is complete bullshit that the HCO respects a students right not to give written consent. I have no doubt that the default if consent isn't given is to suspend or kick a student out of school. The HCO has not earned the benefit of the doubt.

You would be wrong yet again. That wall of separation is rigidly enforced. Bishops are specifically told not to do that.

Bishops are also specifically told not to encourage a student to self-report to the HCO as part of a repentance process. Unless a student is a danger to other students, and as long as a student is working with a bishop, they don't want or need to hear about it.

[Jeff Lebowski]

So why go confess to the Bishop if you're not repentant enough to face all the consequences of your actions?

It used to be that bishops would ask students to self-report as part of the repentance process. But the official policy of the HCO (as of 3-4 years ago) is that if a student is working with a bishop to correct actions that would violate the HC, they don't want or need to be involved. The only exceptions are excommunication (almost non-existent), asking to have one's name removed from the records (because it changes the student's status) or a concern that a student is a danger to other students.

There are also legal reasons for the wall of separation.

[MartyFunkhouser]

You would be wrong yet again. That wall of separation is rigidly enforced. Bishops are specifically told not to do that.

Bishops are also specifically told not to encourage a student to self-report to the HCO as part of a repentance process. Unless a student is a danger to other students, and as long as a student is working with a bishop, they don't want or need to hear about it.

You didn't address the HCO side of it at all. That is great that Bishops do that and it appears that you just ignored the part where I said, I give Bishops the benefit of the doubt that they are not the problem.

[MartyFunkhouser]

It used to be that bishops would ask students to self-report as part of the repentance process. But the official policy of the HCO (as of 3-4 years ago) is that if a student is working with a bishop to correct actions that would violate the HC, they don't want or need to be involved. The only exceptions are excommunication (almost non-existent), asking to have one's name removed from the records (because it changes the student's status) or a concern that a student is a danger to other students.

There are also legal reasons for the wall of separation.

Maybe it is the "official policy," but I don't believe for a minute the HCO practices that.

[falafel]

Maybe it is the "official policy," but I don't believe for a minute the HCO practices that.

Ha, of course you don't. Which is also why no one respects your opinion on BYU/HCO/LDS matters.