I learned about the Church today

[Non Sequitur]

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=38407475&nid...s_cid=toppick2

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints confirmed Friday night that it has "expressed opposition" to a state legislative bill that would legalize access to the entirety of the marijuana plant for those suffering from a limited number of medical conditions.

So much for political neutrality. This is the kind of thing that makes me want to get back in the Church just so I can leave it again.

[Moliere]

The church has never claimed political neutrality on issues, only on parties and candidates. Maybe you forgot about Prop 8?

I'm no doctor or hippie, but it seems that the church has narrowly opposed the bill in that it has only opposed access ot the entirety of the plant. Seems like marijuana can still be used, or at least the chemicals or extracts of the plant can be used for treatment.

FTR, I don't have an opinion one way or the other since I've never really cared or researched the issue.

[Non Sequitur]

The church has never claimed political neutrality on issues, only on parties and candidates. Maybe you forgot about Prop 8?

I'm no doctor or hippie, but it seems that the church has narrowly opposed the bill in that it has only opposed access ot the entirety of the plant. Seems like marijuana can still be used, or at least the chemicals or extracts of the plant can be used for treatment.

FTR, I don't have an opinion one way or the other since I've never really cared or researched the issue.

They say with a wink. When I was going through chemo and couldn't find a drug that would help the nausea, my oncologist said he could write me a prescription for Marinol, made from extracts of Marijuana. My insurance didn't cover Marinol, so I asked him if regular marijuana would be just as effective. He said he couldn't professionally advise me to use marijuana, but that it would be much more beneficial than Marinol. I don't understand why the Church feels compelled to even weigh in on the issue.

[CardiacCoug]

Yeah the Church gets involved in politics whenever there are "moral" issues involved -- we were supposed to campaign against expanding riverboat gambling in Missouri in the late 90s.

I agree though Non Seq that the Church is wrong here -- so lame that docs can legally create major addiction problems with narcotics and benzodiazepines and can't prescribe a much safer and more effective alternative in medical marijuana.

[myboynoah]

This is the kind of thing that makes me want to get back in the Church.

It's a Super Bowl Sunday miracle!

Welcome back, Brother!

[scottie]

They say with a wink. When I was going through chemo and couldn't find a drug that would help the nausea, my oncologist said he could write me a prescription for Marinol, made from extracts of Marijuana. My insurance didn't cover Marinol, so I asked him if regular marijuana would be just as effective. He said he couldn't professionally advise me to use marijuana, but that it would be much more beneficial than Marinol. I don't understand why the Church feels compelled to even weigh in on the issue.

Sure he said that, but also what was he not telling you?:

THE TRUTH ABOUT CANCER AND ESSENTIAL OILS: WHAT NO ONCOLOGIST WILL TELL YOU

Thank you, people of Facebook.

[New Mexican Disaster]

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=38407475&nid...s_cid=toppick2



So much for political neutrality. This is the kind of thing that makes me want to get back in the Church just so I can leave it again.

You could do it over and over again.

[falafel]

Sure he said that, but also what was he not telling you?:

THE TRUTH ABOUT CANCER AND ESSENTIAL OILS: WHAT NO ONCOLOGIST WILL TELL YOU

Thank you, people of Facebook.

A healthy body, from head to foot, typically has a frequency ranging from 62 to 78 MHz, while disease begins at 58Hz. During some testing with frequency and the frequency of essential oils it was measured that: Holding a cup of coffee dropped one man’s frequency from 66 Hz to 58 MHz in just 3 seconds. It took three days for his frequency to return to normal.

Awesome.

[BigFatMeanie]

Sure he said that, but also what was he not telling you?:

THE TRUTH ABOUT CANCER AND ESSENTIAL OILS: WHAT NO ONCOLOGIST WILL TELL YOU

Thank you, people of Facebook.

This is awful of me, but the thought that came to my mind after I read that page and the FB comments was, "maybe the eugenics guys were on to something..."

[Copelius]

A healthy body, from head to foot, typically has a frequency ranging from 62 to 78 MHz, while disease begins at 58Hz. During some testing with frequency and the frequency of essential oils it was measured that: Holding a cup of coffee dropped one man’s frequency from 66 Hz to 58 MHz in just 3 seconds. It took three days for his frequency to return to normal.

I don't know about head to foot but my farts range from 61.7 Hz to 251.6 Hz.

[kccougar]

They say with a wink. When I was going through chemo and couldn't find a drug that would help the nausea, my oncologist said he could write me a prescription for Marinol, made from extracts of Marijuana. My insurance didn't cover Marinol, so I asked him if regular marijuana would be just as effective. He said he couldn't professionally advise me to use marijuana, but that it would be much more beneficial than Marinol. I don't understand why the Church feels compelled to even weigh in on the issue.

I don't think that the Church "opposition" as written would have applied to an extract like Marinol.

[cougjunkie]

[The_Tick]

I agree with this post.

[TexTechCoug]

"Every study since O’Shaughnessy’s initial report has documented a high incidence (so to speak) of psychotropic effects. These range from excitement to sedation (even to the point of “cataleptic stupor”), disinhibition, and disorientation.

Although a few patients may report some of these effects as acceptable to achieve relief of their symptoms, most patients have reported them as undesirable. In the current study, they were an important factor in the early cessation of the trial.

The legalization of medical marijuana, supported by ongoing anecdotal evidence widely reported on the Internet, and the support of patient advocacy groups continue to expand. However, making marijuana legal does not make it effective. Physicians, especially anesthesiologists involved in the management of pain and the side effects of analgesics, will be queried by our patients whether marijuana is right for them. We may be asked to provide prescriptions for medical marijuana.

Even O’Shaughnessy concluded his article with the statement on his findings that “…be it true or false, I deem it my duty to publish it without any avoidable delay, in order that the most extensive and the speediest trial may be given to the proposed remedy.”

More than a century and a half after O’Shaughnessy’s report, we still have not documented the efficacy of marijuana for any medical indication other than as a transient treatment for sobriety."

http://journals.lww.com/anesthesia-a...vidence.4.aspx

Medical marijuana is not backed by a single good randomized double-blinded controlled study. It is great for getting high and little else. The source for the above editorial is Anesthesia & Analgesia November 2015, one of the two most respected journals in the field of anesthesiology. The authors have no political or financial agenda and their conclusions came after doing a massive review of all the actual research into the use of marijuana for all sorts of indications. If any of you are interested in the editorial article or the journal article I'm happy to send along the PDF.

71% of Utahns also probably think essential oils cure cancer, just because the population is easily fooled by pop culture and snake oil salesman doesn't mean that legalizing marijuana is prudent, good public policy, or a good medical decision.


(I reread the editorial and both authors did disclose involvement with a patent related to a peripheral cannabinoid receptor CB-2.)

[Jeff Lebowski]

Ha. You and your "facts" and "science".