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    LDS church announces release of the original printer manuscript to the BOM:

    http://www.heraldextra.com/news/loca...1da755958.html

    The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, in a collaborative effort with the Community of Christ, on Tuesday released the original printer's manuscript of the Book of Mormon.

    According to Dale Jones, LDS Church spokesman, there has been a close collaboration between the two churches in the restoration of the dilapidated manuscript.

    The manuscript was the one printer E. B. Grandin used to set the type and print the first edition of the Book of Mormon. The manuscript is being featured in a new volume of the Joseph Smith Papers Project.
    Interestingly, some more tidbits later in the article:

    An accompanying article on the history of the Book of Mormon translation will appear in the October 2015 issue of the LDS Church’s Ensign magazine, and is now available online.

    Both the introduction to the new volume and the magazine article discuss the instruments Smith used to translate, and both include never-before-seen photographs of a seer stone he likely used in the translation of the Book of Mormon.

    “The stone he used in the translation was often referred to as a chocolate-colored stone with an oval shape,” said an LDS Church statement. “The stone was passed from Joseph Smith to scribe Oliver Cowdery and then from Cowdery’s widow, Elizabeth Whitmer Cowdery, to Phineas Young.

    "Young then passed it on to his brother, Brigham Young, the second president of the Church. After President Young died, one of his wives, Zina D. H. Young, donated it to the Church.”
    Here is the article preview:

    https://www.lds.org/ensign/2015/10/j...-seer?lang=eng

    And here is a picture of the stone:

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    The stone must have been used to hold the papers down so they didn't blow away.

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    • #3
      I'm glad he addressed the artists' depictions of the translation process. I hope those disappear from church publications.

      It would have been nice if this information had been taught in Seminary when I was a kid, but I am glad its coming out now.
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      • #4
        Do you think the sealed part of the BoM will be coming out soon?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
          LDS church announces release of the original printer manuscript to the BOM:
          Is this significant for any reason, other than being old? Or what I mean is... is this something that historians wanted to see to compare translation errors or inconsistencies with other versions? Trying to figure out if I should be excited about this or just meh?
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
            And here is a picture of the stone:

            A chip of that rock, polished up, would make a nice belt buckle or bolo tie...


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            • #7
              Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
              I'm glad he addressed the artists' depictions of the translation process. I hope those disappear from church publications.

              It would have been nice if this information had been taught in Seminary when I was a kid, but I am glad its coming out now.
              I'm not sure what the confusion is. Looks like he used them as an arm rest and nothing more. Come on people!
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Sullyute View Post
                Is this significant for any reason, other than being old? Or what I mean is... is this something that historians wanted to see to compare translation errors or inconsistencies with other versions? Trying to figure out if I should be excited about this or just meh?
                Probably interesting for scholars and BofM history nerds (not meant as a pejorative). Isn't there one place where JS crossed out "white" and replaced it with "pure" in a sentence that originally described a group of people as "white and delightsome?"

                EDIT: I checked, and he made that change in the 1840 edition. But information like that about the 1830 edition would be interesting.
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                ― W.H. Auden


                "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                • #9
                  That's a cool-looking rock. I wonder if the church would be willing to lend it out for people to give it a seer-whirl.
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                  • #10
                    The seer stone looks like a delish Jelly Belly!
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                    • #11
                      That pic needs a quarter or something to show the size.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                        The seer stone looks like a delish Jelly Belly!
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sullyute View Post
                          Is this significant for any reason, other than being old? Or what I mean is... is this something that historians wanted to see to compare translation errors or inconsistencies with other versions? Trying to figure out if I should be excited about this or just meh?
                          Yea, let me know if it is something I see and read about I will be touched to start attending Priesthood again. I think I should, but I need a push, sometimes also referred to as a sign.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by hostile View Post
                            Root Beer Float
                            "Brown and Delightsome"
                            Fitter. Happier. More Productive.

                            sigpic

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RC Vikings View Post
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                              The stone must have been used to hold the papers down so they didn't blow away.
                              Ha.

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