2015 April Conference Thread

[Commando]

Hugh Nibley, if not a proponent of this line of thinking, did at least explore it and attempt to reconcile his worlds.

http://publications.maxwellinstitute...creen/?pub=997

[Bo Diddley]

Before Elder Holland's talk, I was unsure about a literal A&E. I could see some nuanced possibilities, because an omnipotent god can do whatever he wants. I believe in an omnipotent god, so I just trust that He's got things worked out, and I don't have to understand everything.

However, now that Elder Holland made that statement, perhaps I can believe in a literal A&E, because he's an Apostle, and they never say anything that incorrect, right? I enjoyed his talk by the way. I thought he made some really good points.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Before Elder Holland's talk, I was unsure about a literal A&E. I could see some nuanced possibilities, because an omnipotent god can do whatever he wants. I believe in an omnipotent god, so I just trust that He's got things worked out, and I don't have to understand everything.

However, now that Elder Holland made that statement, perhaps I can believe in a literal A&E, because he's an Apostle, and they never say anything that incorrect, right? I enjoyed his talk by the way. I thought he made some really good points.

That is correct. They no longer have free agency and are incapable of error.

[TripletDaddy]

lets shift gears from literal A&E to female reporters being allowed to report at priesthood

http://www.sltrib.com/lifestyle/fait...porters-attend

For the first time in years, the LDS Church is allowing all reporters — including females — into the all-male priesthood session of the faith's General Conference.

[Brian]

I like the idea of A&E having evolved just enough to have deserved human spirits. Assuming they weren't the only offspring of their respective bioparents, imagine how their siblings must have felt. At least this helps me be more understanding of my less advanced brother.

but when did this happen?
Humanoids started spreading out eventually. So one tribe, specifically one couple in a tribe evolved enough.
What about all the other tribes?

what about cross-breeding? full spirit + no spirit = ???

[Dwight Schr-ute]

but when did this happen?
Humanoids started spreading out eventually. So one tribe, specifically one couple in a tribe evolved enough.
What about all the other tribes?

what about cross-breeding? full spirit + no spirit = ???

I'm guessing that spirit would definitely be a dominate trait. Not sure how many alleles would be involved though...Would make a pretty interesting Mendelian chart of independent assortment.

[Moliere]

Before Elder Holland's talk, I was unsure about a literal A&E. I could see some nuanced possibilities, because an omnipotent god can do whatever he wants. I believe in an omnipotent god, so I just trust that He's got things worked out, and I don't have to understand everything.

However, now that Elder Holland made that statement, perhaps I can believe in a literal A&E, because he's an Apostle, and they never say anything that incorrect, right? I enjoyed his talk by the way. I thought he made some really good points.

I still don't believe in a literal Adam and Eve and frankly I don't care what Holland says about them as his opinion on the matter won't sway mine. He can say it for 30 more years, and even as the prophet, and I still won't believe him.

It's lunacy to believe in a literal something just because an apostle or prophet says it is literal. Adam and Eve are no different than Noah or Job.

FTR, I do believe in a literal Christ and in a literal ressurection.

[Commando]

I still don't believe in a literal Adam and Eve and frankly I don't care what Holland says about them as his opinion on the matter won't sway mine. He can say it for 30 more years, and even as the prophet, and I still won't believe him.

It's lunacy to believe in a literal something just because an apostle or prophet says it is literal. Adam and Eve are no different than Noah or Job.

FTR, I do believe in a literal Christ and in a literal ressurection.

So you just beg to differ on the reason for Christ and the resurrection then?

[Northwestcoug]

I still don't believe in a literal Adam and Eve and frankly I don't care what Holland says about them as his opinion on the matter won't sway mine. He can say it for 30 more years, and even as the prophet, and I still won't believe him.

It's lunacy to believe in a literal something just because an apostle or prophet says it is literal. Adam and Eve are no different than Noah or Job.

FTR, I do believe in a literal Christ and in a literal ressurection.

This is a very interesting statement. What external evidence do you have in a literal Christ and resurrection, other than prophetic statements?

[Moliere]

So you just beg to differ on the reason for Christ and the resurrection then?

Not really. I think we are fallen in that we are mortal and need Christ to return to God. I like the Adam and Eve story as a myth that helps us understand our current estate. It's a powerful myth.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Most of the stories in the Pentateuch were never even intended to be taken literally. For heaven's sake, the creation story isn't even a single story. It is two different stories mashed into one.

[Moliere]

This is a very interesting statement. What external evidence do you have in a literal Christ and resurrection, other than prophetic statements?

Most scholars agree that Christ lived. As for his death and resurrection, I choose to believe it as it gives me hope. In my darkest days of faith I still can't get myself to be atheistic or even agnostic, so I've chosen to stick with the Mormon Christ. Plus, I love the Mormon doctrine of eternal progression.

[Commando]

Not really. I think we are fallen in that we are mortal and need Christ to return to God. I like the Adam and Eve story as a myth that helps us understand our current estate. It's a powerful myth.

Well I don't begrudge your process, FWIW- just unusual to me. The universe is so big and unknown I wouldn't rule anything out I guess.

[Dwight Schr-ute]

Most scholars agree that Christ lived. As for his death and resurrection, I choose to believe it as it gives me hope. In my darkest days of faith I still can't get myself to be atheistic or even agnostic, so I've chosen to stick with the Mormon Christ. Plus, I love the Mormon doctrine of eternal progression so long as you meet the minimum highest level of the Celestial kingdom requirements..

FIFY

[Northwestcoug]

Most scholars agree that Christ lived. As for his death and resurrection, I choose to believe it as it gives me hope. In my darkest days of faith I still can't get myself to be atheistic or even agnostic, so I've chosen to stick with the Mormon Christ. Plus, I love the Mormon doctrine of eternal progression.

Fair enough. I can accept that. I also believe that there was a literal Jesus; I meant a literal savior.

But to mildly push back on your 'lunacy' statement, many like Holland take similar comfort in a literal view of Adam and Eve, and the need for an atonement because of that belief. They believe with a similar faith as yours. I suppose one man's lunacy is another man's sincere faith