Gender is eternal...

[Moliere]

I ran into this article from MWS and I have to say that even though I'm a total novice on the gender identity thing, I can already say that this piece is a piece of crap.

http://www.mormonwomenstand.com/topi...s-know-gender/

Trends: Parents raising their little girls as boys and little boys as girls, schools incorporating all-gender restrooms and locker rooms, young women/men seeking to eliminate or make ambiguous the feminine/masculine aspects of their appearance or personality (androgyny), pop culture celebrating transsexual lifestyles, 50+ gender identities on Facebook[3], “surgical procedure[s] [involving] the intentional damaging and mutilating of otherwise perfectly functioning [body] [4], and community and educational systems working to eliminate gender as a social category altogether. These false philosophies promote the concept that DNA, chromosomes and physical anatomy are simply “social constructs”, that one’s sex is different than one’s gender. Groups and organizations advocating these concepts teach that gender is fluid, changeable and a choice. They are mobilizing at a rapid pace, with highly organized efforts focusing on young children and youth.

Given the church's track record on "truth" in regards to stuff like this (e.g. sexual identity is a choice) I think I'm going to side with Hollywood on this one.

[TripletDaddy]

Not sure I understand the point of that article. Is it another pass at the gay thing?? Or is the new focus to simply emphasize that LDS people believe that there are two genders? Is the issue of gender the way the author frames the article even in question?

we haven't spent a lot of time in our house teaching our kids about their gender but then again our kids aren't spending a lot of time trying to change or surpress their gender. These articles always seem to rely heavily on scaremongering. Whatever happened to all of our kids being forced to read homosexual children's books in school once gay marriage became legal?

i had never heard the term "gender rebellion" but I think it is cool. It would be an ok name for a band.

[CardiacCoug]

What an ignorant and insensitive article.

I take transgender people at their word when they say they felt from a very young age that they were born the wrong gender.

If ever a situation called for empathy and understanding it's transgender people. If you have a daughter who says she would rather die than wear a dress or a son who says he would rather die if he can't wear a dress I would imagine that to be an incredibly tough situation to be in as a parent.

The last thing that parent (or the transgender person himself) needs is a bunch of insensitive theories from people who don't understand anything about this issue and are too stupid to try understand it.

It's an exact recapitulation of old attitudes toward gay people: God wouldn't make people gay, gay people are perverts and choose to be that way, etc.

[Moliere]

Not sure I understand the point of that article. Is it another pass at the gay thing?? Or is the new focus to simply emphasize that LDS people believe that there are two genders? Is the issue of gender the way the author frames the article even in question?

we haven't spent a lot of time in our house teaching our kids about their gender but then again our kids aren't spending a lot of time trying to change or surpress their gender. These articles always seem to rely heavily on scaremongering. Whatever happened to all of our kids being forced to read homosexual children's books in school once gay marriage became legal?

i had never heard the term "gender rebellion" but I think it is cool. It would be an ok name for a band.

The article could be summarized as "transgender doesn't really exist since God made you and gender is eternal. If you think you are transgender you're really just being deceived by satan through his minions in hollywood and academia. Pray and you too can know the truth about gender."

[grapevine]

I posted this here but a guy that grew up in a Christian home thought he was a girl, divorced his wife and got one of those so called gender changes. They are not complete since how many Male Female changes have babies and reverse Father them. The ones I seen are but ugly. Who dates a transgender.

Anyway that guy died of an aneurysm working at a bank in Boise, family buried him in suit cut his hair and people were urinated off T him. Set up go fund me account for funeral because his memory was not honored. Any case we were Male or Female before birth and will be after so it is eternal. Those who want changes do have psychological issues. I remember reading in townhall someone comparing them saying if you want your arm cut off need to see psychiatrists, is that really any different?

[TripletDaddy]

The article could be summarized as "transgender doesn't really exist since God made you and gender is eternal. If you think you are transgender you're really just being deceived by satan through his minions in hollywood and academia. Pray and you too can know the truth about gender."

Sure but that basically strikes me as another pass at the "born this way/gay" thing, just wrapped in different paper. The verbiage from the article is taken from the Proclamation, which states pretty clearly that gender is a distinct characteristic. there is nothing new in this article so not sure what prompted it.

also, transgenderism is a very small subset of the LGBT(q!) community. The article portrays it as a sleeping demon that is pervasive in much of what we do on a regular basis. I bet most people outside the medical field have met zero or possibly one transgender person in their entire lives. I suppose grapevine is an exception because he apparently does his banking with a transgender person.

[Moliere]

My guess is the Bruce Jenner story prompted the essay.

[pellegrino]

Sure but that basically strikes me as another pass at the "born this way/gay" thing, just wrapped in different paper. The verbiage from the article is taken from the Proclamation, which states pretty clearly that gender is a distinct characteristic. there is nothing new in this article so not sure what prompted it.

also, transgenderism is a very small subset of the LGBT(q!) community. The article portrays it as a sleeping demon that is pervasive in much of what we do on a regular basis. I bet most people outside the medical field have met zero or possibly one transgender person in their entire lives. I suppose grapevine is an exception because he apparently does his banking with a transgender person.

but . . . but that's not what the television says.

[creekster]

I have always thought that the existence of transgender individuals actually supports the notion that gender is eternal. Given the various birth defects and genetic mutations that can take place in utero should we be surprised that sometimes persons whose gender is eternally established end up in a body that does not match that eternal identity? Doesn't the existence of hermaphrodites prove that this is at the very least a likely possibility? Moreover the article seemingly equates transgender individuals with person who are transvestites or have other similar issues. These are completely different circumstances and the author's credibility suffers by the choice to present these conditions together.

[Jeff Lebowski]

The quotes in that article by various GA's regarding gender being set before birth puzzle me. What is the scriptural basis for these confident declarations?

[Blueintheface]

The quotes in that article by various GA's regarding gender being set before birth puzzle me. What is the scriptural basis for these confident declarations?

God doesn't make mistakes. I believe that can be found in the 6th Book of Packer, 6th chapter, verse 6.

[Sleeping in EQ]

The quotes in that article by various GA's regarding gender being set before birth puzzle me. What is the scriptural basis for these confident declarations?

The "scriptural" basis is a confident proclamation (PoTF). Many GA's don't seem to understand the concept of gender, though, and seem to say "gender" when they don't want to say "sex." The confusion works fine institutionally, because "gender" will mean what they say it means anyway.

[Moliere]

I have always thought that the existence of transgender individuals actually supports the notion that gender is eternal. Given the various birth defects and genetic mutations that can take place in utero should we be surprised that sometimes persons whose gender is eternally established end up in a body that does not match that eternal identity? Doesn't the existence of hermaphrodites prove that this is at the very least a likely possibility? Moreover the article seemingly equates transgender individuals with person who are transvestites or have other similar issues. These are completely different circumstances and the author's credibility suffers by the choice to present these conditions together.

This is close to my thoughts as well. It's almost like they are saying that God doesn't make mistakes so your earthly gender is your eternal gender. That's an odd statement to make given the complexity and mess of actual genetics and human characteristics.

I also think SiEQ is spot on that they confuse sex and gender. I doubt that was initially intentional, but now that it's been done they can't take it back without another revelation.

[Non Sequitur]

My guess is the Bruce Jenner story prompted the essay.

I'm more interested in how this issue affects the Olympics rather than how it affects one's eternal status. Can you imagine how many Gold Medals Bruce Jenner would have won had he competed against other women?

[TripletDaddy]

I'm more interested in how this issue affects the Olympics rather than how it affects one's eternal status. Can you imagine how many Gold Medals Bruce Jenner would have won had he competed against other women?

I thought this issue was already addressed. Was there a sprinter or track and field competitor that is transgender? I thought there was some talk about changing the rule that says you have to compete with your birth sex (in order to keep male-born transgenders from competing against women)